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Postby Minor League Skilz » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:08 am

Billy, not Mo, entered as the first 'Sandman'

BY ADAM RUBIN
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In Mets opener, Billy Wagner enters ninth inning to sounds of Metallica's 'Enter Sandman', rocking Yankee fans who claim the song belongs to Mariano Rivera.


Metallica singer James Hetfield

Not only should the Mets play "Enter Sandman" when closer Billy Wagner takes the mound at Shea, the manager of Metallica says they should turn up the volume.
"Frankly, they could have played it louder as far as I'm concerned," said Peter Mensch, the band's manager and a Mets season-ticket holder. "My comment is: Go Billy."

A day after Wagner closed the Mets' 3-2 Opening Day victory with Mensch in attendance, sports-talk radio erupted, with Yankee fans railing at Wagner's entry music - the same song used by Mariano Rivera in the Bronx.

For the record, Wagner used the song first, even if it's synonymous in baseball circles with Rivera's entrance.

While with Houston during Wagner's rookie season in 1996, teammate Jeff Bagwell disliked the lefty's entry music, George Strait's "They Call Me the Fireman," and persuaded Wagner to switch.

Rivera didn't begin using the song for another three years. Yankee Stadium personnel had been so struck by the crowd reaction in San Diego the previous season when Trevor Hoffman entered games to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" that they sought to find an anthem for Rivera. Scoreboard operator Mike Luzzi brought in a bunch of CDs and the Yankees tested different tunes, including Guns N' Roses' "Paradise City." They settled on "Enter Sandman," which drew the best crowd response. Rivera didn't even know anything about the band.

"I met (Metallica's) James (Hetfield) last year, but I don't listen to that kind of music," Rivera said. "Everyone just identifies me with the song. I listen to Christian music."

The album containing "Enter Sandman" - known as "Metallica" or the "Black Album" - has sold 14.6 million copies in the U.S. alone and 20 million worldwide since its release in August of 1991. "Enter Sandman" was the first of seven Grammy winners by the band Wagner loves.

"I know Mariano's got it. Lord forbid, the Earth should crumble if two people have it," Wagner said after his first Mets save.

Rivera said he has no problem sharing.

"If the guy feels comfortable using the song, then let him be. I know Billy. He's a great guy. He has all my respect....To all the people that are fighting over this, I appreciate the loyalty."

As for Mensch, he even tried to help recruit Wagner. After learning Wagner was a Metallica fan this winter, he told Mets officials to relay to the free-agent closer that Wagner could be on stage during a concert if that would entice him to relocate to Flushing.

"I haven't quite told Metallica," Mensch said with a laugh. "He can sing backup vocals.

"Literally, I called up people I knew at Shea Stadium. That morning, when he was coming to New York, before he signed, we called up and said, 'Tell Billy Wagner, if it means anything, that the manager of Metallica is a season-ticket holder and will put him on stage the next time he's in New York. Or we will reroute the tour.'"

The Mets have long-standing ties with Metallica. Mensch recalled sending Sid Fernandez a set of band T-shirts in 1987 after learning the portly pitcher liked Anthrax.

"XXL," Mensch said.

The two struck up a relationship and Fernandez joined clubhouse attendant Vinny Greco at a Metallica concert at Nassau Coliseum. The duo hung out with the band backstage.

Not that Mensch hates the Yankees. He's tight with Randy Johnson, another Metallica fan.

"I have no beef with Mariano using it," Mensch said. "As long as he's saving games for Randy Johnson that's fine."




This whole thing will die down now. I can't believe that Metallica's manager is a Met fan. [sarcasm] I am now going to burn all my albums as a protest and try to steal Metallica's music from the internet just to anger Lars[/sarcasm]

I am not backing down from my stance that it will be weird and a little cheesy to see Mets fans jumping around to Enter Sandman, but what's done is done. Time for this controversy (and thread) to die.

BTW, nice article Fireball. I never heard that part about Wagner's life.
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:02 am

So it looks like Wagner had the song a FULL 3 years before Mariano did. Wagner picked the song with the help of Bagwell. Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.

Where are all the pompous arrogant Yankee fans now who think the entire MLB world revolves around their team now?
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:10 am

The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:15 am

AcidRock23 wrote:
The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.


Not really fair?

This entire stupid debate was started by arrogant Yankee fans who think the world revovles around their team.

How dare Wagner use Mariano's song?

Now it turns out Wagner has used the song 3 years before Mariano did and he didn't even pick it out himself. I can almost guarantee you Mariano had no idea what Metallica was in 1996.

Todays' Daily News quotes Mariano as saying he's not even a Metallica fan. He likes Christian music.

Christian Music ?!?!

Maybe Mariano can change his intro into a STRYPER tune now.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:18 am

I just meant that it's not fair to say Rivera picked the song as he clearly had nothing to do w/ it or the 'controversy' that the Yankee fan base has manufactured out of this issue.

I would think that some sort of 'lite rock' intensity Christian music would actually throw a hitter off MORE than Metallica. I always listen to Slayer while I do my income taxes...
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Postby Madison » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:48 am

Minor League Skilz wrote:
Billy, not Mo, entered as the first 'Sandman'

BY ADAM RUBIN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


In Mets opener, Billy Wagner enters ninth inning to sounds of Metallica's 'Enter Sandman', rocking Yankee fans who claim the song belongs to Mariano Rivera.


Metallica singer James Hetfield

Not only should the Mets play "Enter Sandman" when closer Billy Wagner takes the mound at Shea, the manager of Metallica says they should turn up the volume.
"Frankly, they could have played it louder as far as I'm concerned," said Peter Mensch, the band's manager and a Mets season-ticket holder. "My comment is: Go Billy."

A day after Wagner closed the Mets' 3-2 Opening Day victory with Mensch in attendance, sports-talk radio erupted, with Yankee fans railing at Wagner's entry music - the same song used by Mariano Rivera in the Bronx.

For the record, Wagner used the song first, even if it's synonymous in baseball circles with Rivera's entrance.

While with Houston during Wagner's rookie season in 1996, teammate Jeff Bagwell disliked the lefty's entry music, George Strait's "They Call Me the Fireman," and persuaded Wagner to switch.

Rivera didn't begin using the song for another three years. Yankee Stadium personnel had been so struck by the crowd reaction in San Diego the previous season when Trevor Hoffman entered games to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" that they sought to find an anthem for Rivera. Scoreboard operator Mike Luzzi brought in a bunch of CDs and the Yankees tested different tunes, including Guns N' Roses' "Paradise City." They settled on "Enter Sandman," which drew the best crowd response. Rivera didn't even know anything about the band.

"I met (Metallica's) James (Hetfield) last year, but I don't listen to that kind of music," Rivera said. "Everyone just identifies me with the song. I listen to Christian music."

The album containing "Enter Sandman" - known as "Metallica" or the "Black Album" - has sold 14.6 million copies in the U.S. alone and 20 million worldwide since its release in August of 1991. "Enter Sandman" was the first of seven Grammy winners by the band Wagner loves.

"I know Mariano's got it. Lord forbid, the Earth should crumble if two people have it," Wagner said after his first Mets save.

Rivera said he has no problem sharing.

"If the guy feels comfortable using the song, then let him be. I know Billy. He's a great guy. He has all my respect....To all the people that are fighting over this, I appreciate the loyalty."

As for Mensch, he even tried to help recruit Wagner. After learning Wagner was a Metallica fan this winter, he told Mets officials to relay to the free-agent closer that Wagner could be on stage during a concert if that would entice him to relocate to Flushing.

"I haven't quite told Metallica," Mensch said with a laugh. "He can sing backup vocals.

"Literally, I called up people I knew at Shea Stadium. That morning, when he was coming to New York, before he signed, we called up and said, 'Tell Billy Wagner, if it means anything, that the manager of Metallica is a season-ticket holder and will put him on stage the next time he's in New York. Or we will reroute the tour.'"

The Mets have long-standing ties with Metallica. Mensch recalled sending Sid Fernandez a set of band T-shirts in 1987 after learning the portly pitcher liked Anthrax.

"XXL," Mensch said.

The two struck up a relationship and Fernandez joined clubhouse attendant Vinny Greco at a Metallica concert at Nassau Coliseum. The duo hung out with the band backstage.

Not that Mensch hates the Yankees. He's tight with Randy Johnson, another Metallica fan.

"I have no beef with Mariano using it," Mensch said. "As long as he's saving games for Randy Johnson that's fine."




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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:51 am

Yeah, Kavorka, I don't think that anybody thinks that Mariano has done anything wrong. He doens't mind Wagner using his music and Mo would prefer to come out to some Christian music (Michael row your boat ashore? :-? ) I don't think that there is any reason to criticize Mo......stick to criticizing his fans. :-]
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:56 am

Mookie4ever wrote:Yeah, Kavorka, I don't think that anybody thinks that Mariano has done anything wrong. He doens't mind Wagner using his music and Mo would prefer to come out to some Christian music (Michael row your boat ashore? :-? ) I don't think that there is any reason to criticize Mo......stick to criticizing his fans. :-]


I didn't mean to criticize Mo at all. That wasn't my intention. I've stated earlier in this thread that he's the best closer in the history of the game.

The point I was trying to make was against the Yankee fans in this thread who had the audacity to say Wagner should change his song.
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Postby Minor League Skilz » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:17 am

The Kavorka wrote:
AcidRock23 wrote:
The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.


Not really fair?

This entire stupid debate was started by arrogant Yankee fans who think the world revovles around their team.

How dare Wagner use Mariano's song?

Now it turns out Wagner has used the song 3 years before Mariano did and he didn't even pick it out himself. I can almost guarantee you Mariano had no idea what Metallica was in 1996.

Todays' Daily News quotes Mariano as saying he's not even a Metallica fan. He likes Christian music.

Christian Music ?!?!

Maybe Mariano can change his intro into a STRYPER tune now.


Karvoka, you are a fool. I did not start this topic to insult the rest of the baseball world. If it is making the news then it is a appropriate topic for DISCUSSION in this forum. Arrogant. I have not been the one throwing insults at people for their opinion.

Any Yankee fan that knows a minimal amount about the conserative, Christian Rivera knows he is not at home listening to Metallica. I am not surprised that the song came from the PR guys at all. The article I posted said the song was selected based on receiving the best reaction from the crowd. It was done for the fans.

I take pride in being able to take a step back and see both sides to debates and issues in general. I knew this thread would lead to the usual Yankee bashing comments, but I was genuinely surprised there was not more support for the Yankee side. So I went back to view some of the opposing comments.

First of all of course none of this is an issue of who has a right to the song. Of course it belongs to Metallica. Of course Wagner can use it if he wants. This is America and with the Mets permission Wagner can come out to whatever he pleases. If I used the word right or something similar I was mistaken.

My next point is that I do realize that in the grand scheme of things this debate and baseball in general do not matter at all, so don't get on my case when I use words like significant or important. It's all relative. But since we are still talking about this here is my point.

If we boil down this issue to its basic parts it involves groups. Get rid of the whole Yankee/Met thing. One group is taking something that has significance to another group and trying to make it their own. If that something significant is no longer unique it may lose what made it special in the first place. I think this is a basic human emotion (even if it may not be the most noble emotion). This would apply to rival high schools or colleges as well. I have known of Wagner's use of the song for a long time. While I didn't like it (that may be selfish), it was out of sight of of mind. The Mets and Yankees are conntected through the city, the papers, the news and the fans. The closeness of the two groups is what makes it an issue.

Mariano Rivera is the type of player I will tell my kids about in the future. I may never see another Yankee like him in my lifetime, and I am sure that the first part of every Mo story will involve humming the first few bars of Enter Sandman.

Part of my love for baseball comes from the little quirks and unique traditions found at each ballpark, many of which you will never even notice until you see the game in person. Not just the physical things like the Ivy at Wrigley either. It is the Red Sox signing Sweet Caroline or the Orioles fans screaming the "O" part of the national anthem. For me Enter Sandman is associated with Yankee stadium and one of the greatest players I have ever seen.

This debate isn't really a debate anymore because it looks like they will both use the song. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from.
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Postby looptid » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:53 am

AT wrote:Yep that's it. I'm crazy, a tool, an a$$, whatever. I should be banned again, I don't know anything about baseball, whatever. I was at that game where Rivera was booed. I vomited in my mouth listening to it. It was a low-class move and it made me ashamed me be a Yankee fan for a week or so. If you're an honest baseball fan and a Yankee fan at that time you should've felt the way I did that day. Ashamed, embarrassed, disgusted, for the way the fans of my team behaved.

I attended a Yankees-Blue Jays game in Toronto on vacation last season. I'd be more ashamed about the fact that no male yankees fan over the age of 12 can seemingly afford to buy a shirt with sleeves. You think all that I-ROC driving, zuba wearing stuff is just a stereotype until you run into the genuine article in person.

I also got sent to New York on business this year. I completely agree with Emo Phillips:

"Every time I get the urge to travel to New York, I just pour urine in my humidifier."
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