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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:04 am

So...if it's no biggie to Rivera, it is the Yankee PR machine that Wagner is upsetting by using a song which, while not Rivera's personal choice, is a song that'd been chosen FOR him? :-? :-D
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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:00 am

Fireball Express wrote:Since this thread is dealing with Billy Wagner I'd like you to read this article that was posted on my league website. It made me think just how silly this thread is. That's why I'm posting it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn ... 43025.html


Wow - great article. Thanks for posting it.

I have a newfound respect for Wagner.
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Postby Minor League Skilz » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:08 am

Billy, not Mo, entered as the first 'Sandman'

BY ADAM RUBIN
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In Mets opener, Billy Wagner enters ninth inning to sounds of Metallica's 'Enter Sandman', rocking Yankee fans who claim the song belongs to Mariano Rivera.


Metallica singer James Hetfield

Not only should the Mets play "Enter Sandman" when closer Billy Wagner takes the mound at Shea, the manager of Metallica says they should turn up the volume.
"Frankly, they could have played it louder as far as I'm concerned," said Peter Mensch, the band's manager and a Mets season-ticket holder. "My comment is: Go Billy."

A day after Wagner closed the Mets' 3-2 Opening Day victory with Mensch in attendance, sports-talk radio erupted, with Yankee fans railing at Wagner's entry music - the same song used by Mariano Rivera in the Bronx.

For the record, Wagner used the song first, even if it's synonymous in baseball circles with Rivera's entrance.

While with Houston during Wagner's rookie season in 1996, teammate Jeff Bagwell disliked the lefty's entry music, George Strait's "They Call Me the Fireman," and persuaded Wagner to switch.

Rivera didn't begin using the song for another three years. Yankee Stadium personnel had been so struck by the crowd reaction in San Diego the previous season when Trevor Hoffman entered games to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" that they sought to find an anthem for Rivera. Scoreboard operator Mike Luzzi brought in a bunch of CDs and the Yankees tested different tunes, including Guns N' Roses' "Paradise City." They settled on "Enter Sandman," which drew the best crowd response. Rivera didn't even know anything about the band.

"I met (Metallica's) James (Hetfield) last year, but I don't listen to that kind of music," Rivera said. "Everyone just identifies me with the song. I listen to Christian music."

The album containing "Enter Sandman" - known as "Metallica" or the "Black Album" - has sold 14.6 million copies in the U.S. alone and 20 million worldwide since its release in August of 1991. "Enter Sandman" was the first of seven Grammy winners by the band Wagner loves.

"I know Mariano's got it. Lord forbid, the Earth should crumble if two people have it," Wagner said after his first Mets save.

Rivera said he has no problem sharing.

"If the guy feels comfortable using the song, then let him be. I know Billy. He's a great guy. He has all my respect....To all the people that are fighting over this, I appreciate the loyalty."

As for Mensch, he even tried to help recruit Wagner. After learning Wagner was a Metallica fan this winter, he told Mets officials to relay to the free-agent closer that Wagner could be on stage during a concert if that would entice him to relocate to Flushing.

"I haven't quite told Metallica," Mensch said with a laugh. "He can sing backup vocals.

"Literally, I called up people I knew at Shea Stadium. That morning, when he was coming to New York, before he signed, we called up and said, 'Tell Billy Wagner, if it means anything, that the manager of Metallica is a season-ticket holder and will put him on stage the next time he's in New York. Or we will reroute the tour.'"

The Mets have long-standing ties with Metallica. Mensch recalled sending Sid Fernandez a set of band T-shirts in 1987 after learning the portly pitcher liked Anthrax.

"XXL," Mensch said.

The two struck up a relationship and Fernandez joined clubhouse attendant Vinny Greco at a Metallica concert at Nassau Coliseum. The duo hung out with the band backstage.

Not that Mensch hates the Yankees. He's tight with Randy Johnson, another Metallica fan.

"I have no beef with Mariano using it," Mensch said. "As long as he's saving games for Randy Johnson that's fine."




This whole thing will die down now. I can't believe that Metallica's manager is a Met fan. [sarcasm] I am now going to burn all my albums as a protest and try to steal Metallica's music from the internet just to anger Lars[/sarcasm]

I am not backing down from my stance that it will be weird and a little cheesy to see Mets fans jumping around to Enter Sandman, but what's done is done. Time for this controversy (and thread) to die.

BTW, nice article Fireball. I never heard that part about Wagner's life.
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:02 am

So it looks like Wagner had the song a FULL 3 years before Mariano did. Wagner picked the song with the help of Bagwell. Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.

Where are all the pompous arrogant Yankee fans now who think the entire MLB world revolves around their team now?
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:10 am

The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:15 am

AcidRock23 wrote:
The Kavorka wrote: Mariano on the other hand had the Yankee PR dept pick the song for him.


That's not really fair, it doesn't sound as if Rivera had been consulted at all regarding what sort of music he'd like to have blasting out of the PA as he's rolling in from the 'pen.


Not really fair?

This entire stupid debate was started by arrogant Yankee fans who think the world revovles around their team.

How dare Wagner use Mariano's song?

Now it turns out Wagner has used the song 3 years before Mariano did and he didn't even pick it out himself. I can almost guarantee you Mariano had no idea what Metallica was in 1996.

Todays' Daily News quotes Mariano as saying he's not even a Metallica fan. He likes Christian music.

Christian Music ?!?!

Maybe Mariano can change his intro into a STRYPER tune now.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:18 am

I just meant that it's not fair to say Rivera picked the song as he clearly had nothing to do w/ it or the 'controversy' that the Yankee fan base has manufactured out of this issue.

I would think that some sort of 'lite rock' intensity Christian music would actually throw a hitter off MORE than Metallica. I always listen to Slayer while I do my income taxes...
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Postby Madison » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:48 am

Minor League Skilz wrote:
Billy, not Mo, entered as the first 'Sandman'

BY ADAM RUBIN
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER


In Mets opener, Billy Wagner enters ninth inning to sounds of Metallica's 'Enter Sandman', rocking Yankee fans who claim the song belongs to Mariano Rivera.


Metallica singer James Hetfield

Not only should the Mets play "Enter Sandman" when closer Billy Wagner takes the mound at Shea, the manager of Metallica says they should turn up the volume.
"Frankly, they could have played it louder as far as I'm concerned," said Peter Mensch, the band's manager and a Mets season-ticket holder. "My comment is: Go Billy."

A day after Wagner closed the Mets' 3-2 Opening Day victory with Mensch in attendance, sports-talk radio erupted, with Yankee fans railing at Wagner's entry music - the same song used by Mariano Rivera in the Bronx.

For the record, Wagner used the song first, even if it's synonymous in baseball circles with Rivera's entrance.

While with Houston during Wagner's rookie season in 1996, teammate Jeff Bagwell disliked the lefty's entry music, George Strait's "They Call Me the Fireman," and persuaded Wagner to switch.

Rivera didn't begin using the song for another three years. Yankee Stadium personnel had been so struck by the crowd reaction in San Diego the previous season when Trevor Hoffman entered games to AC/DC's "Hell's Bells" that they sought to find an anthem for Rivera. Scoreboard operator Mike Luzzi brought in a bunch of CDs and the Yankees tested different tunes, including Guns N' Roses' "Paradise City." They settled on "Enter Sandman," which drew the best crowd response. Rivera didn't even know anything about the band.

"I met (Metallica's) James (Hetfield) last year, but I don't listen to that kind of music," Rivera said. "Everyone just identifies me with the song. I listen to Christian music."

The album containing "Enter Sandman" - known as "Metallica" or the "Black Album" - has sold 14.6 million copies in the U.S. alone and 20 million worldwide since its release in August of 1991. "Enter Sandman" was the first of seven Grammy winners by the band Wagner loves.

"I know Mariano's got it. Lord forbid, the Earth should crumble if two people have it," Wagner said after his first Mets save.

Rivera said he has no problem sharing.

"If the guy feels comfortable using the song, then let him be. I know Billy. He's a great guy. He has all my respect....To all the people that are fighting over this, I appreciate the loyalty."

As for Mensch, he even tried to help recruit Wagner. After learning Wagner was a Metallica fan this winter, he told Mets officials to relay to the free-agent closer that Wagner could be on stage during a concert if that would entice him to relocate to Flushing.

"I haven't quite told Metallica," Mensch said with a laugh. "He can sing backup vocals.

"Literally, I called up people I knew at Shea Stadium. That morning, when he was coming to New York, before he signed, we called up and said, 'Tell Billy Wagner, if it means anything, that the manager of Metallica is a season-ticket holder and will put him on stage the next time he's in New York. Or we will reroute the tour.'"

The Mets have long-standing ties with Metallica. Mensch recalled sending Sid Fernandez a set of band T-shirts in 1987 after learning the portly pitcher liked Anthrax.

"XXL," Mensch said.

The two struck up a relationship and Fernandez joined clubhouse attendant Vinny Greco at a Metallica concert at Nassau Coliseum. The duo hung out with the band backstage.

Not that Mensch hates the Yankees. He's tight with Randy Johnson, another Metallica fan.

"I have no beef with Mariano using it," Mensch said. "As long as he's saving games for Randy Johnson that's fine."




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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:51 am

Yeah, Kavorka, I don't think that anybody thinks that Mariano has done anything wrong. He doens't mind Wagner using his music and Mo would prefer to come out to some Christian music (Michael row your boat ashore? :-? ) I don't think that there is any reason to criticize Mo......stick to criticizing his fans. :-]
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Postby The Kavorka » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:56 am

Mookie4ever wrote:Yeah, Kavorka, I don't think that anybody thinks that Mariano has done anything wrong. He doens't mind Wagner using his music and Mo would prefer to come out to some Christian music (Michael row your boat ashore? :-? ) I don't think that there is any reason to criticize Mo......stick to criticizing his fans. :-]


I didn't mean to criticize Mo at all. That wasn't my intention. I've stated earlier in this thread that he's the best closer in the history of the game.

The point I was trying to make was against the Yankee fans in this thread who had the audacity to say Wagner should change his song.
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