I have Williams on my team, along with Politte, (I know, what a combination), but I am leading in a Roto league in ERA and 2nd in WHIP. I have Pedro, Redman, Webb, Nomo and Oswalt, along with Donnelly and Hasagawa. I am not over my innings limit, actually, right on target. And, I'm 3rd in the saves category. So, I have proof that these closers do not kill you in those categories. Sure, I'd have a bigger lead than I do, but you can get away with there garbage saves and still live in the other 2 categories.