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Postby mikekim2121 » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:24 pm

garf112 wrote:I look at a combination of things.

k/9, bb/9, and instead of just looking at whip, I also look at h/9, to make sure that it isn't a lot of unluckiness leading to a higher whip.



I am confused. What do you gain by looking at h/9 instead of whip? Obviously, I know the definition of the two but I would like to know how it is more effective in filtering out the luck that is involved with whip? Thanks in advance.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:03 pm

mikekim2121 wrote:
garf112 wrote:I look at a combination of things.

k/9, bb/9, and instead of just looking at whip, I also look at h/9, to make sure that it isn't a lot of unluckiness leading to a higher whip.



I am confused. What do you gain by looking at h/9 instead of whip? Obviously, I know the definition of the two but I would like to know how it is more effective in filtering out the luck that is involved with whip? Thanks in advance.


BAA isn't helpful. You have to look at hit rate % to see if there was good or bad luck.

I prefer k/9, k/bb, hr/9.

K pitchers in general have the lowest eras, followed by GB pitchers, with FB pitchers last.
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Postby garf112 » Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:09 am

mikekim2121 wrote:
garf112 wrote:I look at a combination of things.

k/9, bb/9, and instead of just looking at whip, I also look at h/9, to make sure that it isn't a lot of unluckiness leading to a higher whip.



I am confused. What do you gain by looking at h/9 instead of whip? Obviously, I know the definition of the two but I would like to know how it is more effective in filtering out the luck that is involved with whip? Thanks in advance.


whip includes walks, something that can be controlled by the pitcher. h/9 can be luck dependent. I should have been more precise and said that I look at Batting Average On Balls In Play. At about .300, there is little to no luck involved. Above and the pitcher is unlucky, below, the pitcher is lucky.
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