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Postby tuckerman85 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:05 am

Granderson has gone undrafted in every league i've been involved with:

2 - 12 team h2h with 22 rounds
1 - 10 team h2h with 25 rounds - first year of a keeper league...

If what most of you are projecting pans out, then this guy should be taken any where from rounds 15 onward.

Thanks for all the advice and sharing of knowledge, I'm on the banwagon and just picked him up in the keeper league and dropped my last pick of the draft, P. Byrd.
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Postby warrick95 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:25 am

Suure I'll forget.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:21 am

nuggets wrote:Pretty strong predictions Agnes. I'd take a bet on Patterson hitting .250 or better.

Granderson never hitting under .285? Wow. I won't bet on it, but If I was forced to I'd take the under every time.

What makes you think Patterson will split time with Matos? Won't Gibbons split time with Millar and Millar with Matos in left?

It's hard to say exactly what percentage of the time who will play where with Sam Perlozzo's style, but Patterson should be the primary CF.

Isn't there a decent chance of Matos being dealt?

What about Nook Logan and the chance he takes PT away from Granderson at some point, say when/if Granderson slumps and Nook is hitting well?

If you take playing time out of the picture it seems that Granderson is more capable in the runs and average department, Patterson in steals, with a tie in Power. Granderson is a reasonable bet to provide more fantasy value, but 30+ steals from Corey could change that.



For those who were interested in the Patterson/Granderson side of this, an update. Matos had another multi-hit game yesterday, raising his pre-season average to .393. Patterson was 0-4, dropping his ST average to .242.

At best, Patterson platoons with Matos. I think there's a chance he may lose the starting job in CF before the season starts.
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Postby RynMan » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:28 am

Just thought I'd throw PECOTA's projections out there for those of you that don't have access:

.271 AVG
.341 OBP
19 HR
76 R
69 RBI
11 SB (5 CS)

Might wanna adjust Runs/RBIs accordingly now that he is leading off.

While I'm here, I"ll just say that I'm not looking for this years Sizemore in Granderson. PECOTA has him pegged about where I see him in each category.
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Postby Gags Sports » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:27 am

RynMan wrote:Just thought I'd throw PECOTA's projections out there for those of you that don't have access:

.271 AVG
.341 OBP
19 HR
76 R
69 RBI
11 SB (5 CS)

Might wanna adjust Runs/RBIs accordingly now that he is leading off.

While I'm here, I"ll just say that I'm not looking for this years Sizemore in Granderson. PECOTA has him pegged about where I see him in each category.


This is pretty darn close to what I am expecting from him. You're right about him not being Sizemore, that's not going to happen. But as far as a late round pickup, Granderson certainly is worth it.

As for the numbers above, those are fairly close, and like you said they would just need to be adjusted since he's leading off. I would probably subtract 10 RBI's and add 10 runs.
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Postby HYLRedSox » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:51 am

Just picked this guy up in round 18 of an 8 teamer, AL only draft. I thought the value was superb, and he will be my 4th/5th outfielder.
Is it really OK to expect to approach 20 homers? I like the 11 steals, though I'd hope for me.
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Postby Gags Sports » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:59 am

HYLRedSox wrote:Just picked this guy up in round 18 of an 8 teamer, AL only draft. I thought the value was superb, and he will be my 4th/5th outfielder.
Is it really OK to expect to approach 20 homers? I like the 11 steals, though I'd hope for me.


I'd say it's safe to expect around 15 homers from this guy, with the potential for around 20. Comerica is no Coors Field, but he'll get his share of HR's. I don't see Curtis going 20/20 this year, but if he does I certainly won't be upset.
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Postby garf112 » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:00 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
nuggets wrote:Pretty strong predictions Agnes. I'd take a bet on Patterson hitting .250 or better.

Granderson never hitting under .285? Wow. I won't bet on it, but If I was forced to I'd take the under every time.

What makes you think Patterson will split time with Matos? Won't Gibbons split time with Millar and Millar with Matos in left?

It's hard to say exactly what percentage of the time who will play where with Sam Perlozzo's style, but Patterson should be the primary CF.

Isn't there a decent chance of Matos being dealt?

What about Nook Logan and the chance he takes PT away from Granderson at some point, say when/if Granderson slumps and Nook is hitting well?

If you take playing time out of the picture it seems that Granderson is more capable in the runs and average department, Patterson in steals, with a tie in Power. Granderson is a reasonable bet to provide more fantasy value, but 30+ steals from Corey could change that.



For those who were interested in the Patterson/Granderson side of this, an update. Matos had another multi-hit game yesterday, raising his pre-season average to .393. Patterson was 0-4, dropping his ST average to .242.

At best, Patterson platoons with Matos. I think there's a chance he may lose the starting job in CF before the season starts.


It is so funny that i almost always agree with GTWMA. Granderson going .280-20-20 is on the high side, but it is way more feasible than Patterson even approaching .250. Patterson= good fantasy player, atrocious real life player= a reduction in playing time. Matos is a better player, plain and simple.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:05 pm

I do agree that I'm out at the top end of Granderson's possible production. Pretty much every projection I've seen (ZiPs, Pecota, etc.) has him in double digits for HR and SBs, with about a .270 average.

I think I've explained the reasons why I'm high by comparison--his consistent and demonstrated ability to jump levels AND improve at the same time and his work ethic mean that rather than projection him at the mid-range of the age/performance profile, I have him at the top end. If you look at his 70 or 80% PECOTA projection, that's where I think he'll be, based on his past history.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:13 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:For those who were interested in the Patterson/Granderson side of this, an update. Matos had another multi-hit game yesterday, raising his pre-season average to .393. Patterson was 0-4, dropping his ST average to .242.

At best, Patterson platoons with Matos. I think there's a chance he may lose the starting job in CF before the season starts.


WOW!! Take a look at this quote from an Orioles web site interviewing Flanagan:

"When I asked specifically about Nick Markakis as both a person and as a player, Mike was quick to speak highly of him in both regards. He said that Nick was noticeably “more mature this spring, and focused” that “he has handled every situation extremely well,” and that “he has had good at bats all spring.” But the most revealing comment, I felt, was that Mike referred to him as “a man.” I also asked if it was possible that Markakis could make the 25-man roster, but not be a starter. There was a short pause before Mike answered, and then he said, “we’ll take the best 25 players north.”

As we wrapped up this portion of our talk, Mike said “none of these players (referring to Markakis, Rleal and Morris) have done anything not to be on this team.”

Mike and I talked about Cory Patterson and his obvious physical skills. Mike explained that he felt Patterson has had a good camp. He has been working hard with Terry Crowley to correct “some habits in his swing.” And Mike felt that he has worked hard, played good defense, run well and had lots of good at bats. They see progress in his development. I also asked specifically if Patterson has minor league options left, and Mike said that he does."


Will Patterson even be on the 25 man roster??


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