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Postby silverZ » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:29 pm

Who are some guys ranked lower/higher then they should be?

Top closers seem to be overvalued while a lot of sleeper closers are way too low. Rolen is the 3rd ranked 3B, above the likes of ARam and Figgins. What else have you guys noticed?
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Postby kemper5 » Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:41 pm

Here are a few I did not agree with

Andruw Jones 45HR, 123 RBI, .288 ave
Carlos Delgado 34 HR (maybe), 120 RBI, .290 ave
Jake Peavy 18W, 230 K 2.78 era - little high here
Mark Prior 17 W, 225 K - Forget that
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Postby Madison » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:13 am

You should see the draft room. It's insane where they have people ranked. All I have to do is tell you that Rivera is #1 while Pujols is #11, and Arod is #12 for you to get an idea what the draft room rankings are like.

In other words, way too screwed up to give you a list of who's ranked wrong because the entire thing is way, way off. :-b
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Postby TheGhostWhoWalks » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:46 am

Those were not the rankings in my draft room, and I doubt they were in yours, since they follow their top 300. This is the top 20, which is what shows up as the default rankings in their draft room.


Rank Name Pos Tm H2H 5x5 Mixed $ AL-only $ NL-only $
1 Rodriguez, Alex 3B NYY 717 38.67 43 44 0
2 Pujols, Albert 1B STL 730 36.68 43 0 44
3 Guerrero, Vladimir OF LAA 623 33.25 41 41 0
4 Ramirez, Manny OF BOS 615 27.47 40 39 0
5 Ortiz, David DH BOS 674 28.27 39 40 0
6 Santana, Johan SP MIN 705 35.29 38 41 0
7 Teixeira, Mark 1B TEX 681 30.89 35 37 0
8 Lee, Derrek 1B CHC 643 30.09 35 0 36
9 Tejada, Miguel SS BAL 596 27.14 34 39 0
10 Wright, David 3B NYM 609 29.32 34 0 36
11 Jones, Andruw OF ATL 644 28.47 33 0 35
12 Young, Michael SS TEX 585 25.97 33 38 0
13 Abreu, Bobby OF PHI 640 28.26 32 0 35
14 Crawford, Carl OF TB 576 29.82 31 34 0
15 Soriano, Alfonso 2B WAS 560 26.38 31 0 28
16 Utley, Chase 2B PHI 616 27.29 30 0 27
17 Peavy, Jake SP SD 694 34.63 30 0 33
18 Reyes, Jose B. SS NYM 563 27.20 30 0 32
19 Cabrera, Miguel M. 3B FLA 602 27.89 29 0 33
20 Carpenter, Chris SP STL 662 30.52 29 0 35


I am not sure what you were looking at, but it was not Sportsline.
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Postby Madison » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:58 am

TheGhostWhoWalks wrote:Those were not the rankings in my draft room, and I doubt they were in yours, since they follow their top 300. This is the top 20, which is what shows up as the default rankings in their draft room.

I am not sure what you were looking at, but it was not Sportsline.


It most certainly was.

My wife did a live draft there in one of their public leagues. She was the only person who actually showed up. The other 9 teams wound up autodrafted. Care to guess which teams didn't prerank, and went off of Sportsline's rankings in the draft room?

Just in case it's not obvious, she's Ministry of Darkness:

Round 1
1 Ministry of Darkness Albert Pujols (1B STL)
2 PADRES Johan Santana (P MIN)
3 Brew Crew Mariano Rivera (P NYY)
4 Chi-Town Scrubs Chad Cordero (P WAS)
5 Brew Crew Chris Carpenter (P STL)
6 butlers bulldogs Roger Clemens (P HOU)
7 mikesyanks Alex Rodriguez (3B NYY)
8 next level Billy Wagner (P NYM)
9 unf heartless basturds Pedro Martinez (P NYM)
10 LES Warrior Derrek Lee (1B CHC)
Round 2
11 LES Warrior Joe Nathan (P MIN)
12 unf heartless basturds Todd Jones (P DET)
13 next level Dontrelle Willis (P FLA)
14 mikesyanks Jake Peavy (P SD)
15 butlers bulldogs Andy Pettitte (P HOU)
16 Brew Crew Brad Lidge (P HOU)
17 Chi-Town Scrubs Derrick Turnbow (P MIL)
18 Brew Crew Bob Wickman (P CLE)
19 PADRES Vladimir Guerrero (OF ANA)
20 Ministry of Darkness Mark Teixeira (1B TEX)
Round 3
21 Ministry of Darkness Manny Ramirez (OF BOS)
22 PADRES Roy Oswalt (P HOU)
23 Brew Crew Carl Crawford (OF TB)
24 Chi-Town Scrubs Francisco Rodriguez (P ANA)
25 Brew Crew Trevor Hoffman (P SD)
26 butlers bulldogs Danys Baez (P LA)
27 mikesyanks David Ortiz (U BOS)
28 next level B.J. Ryan (P TOR)
29 unf heartless basturds Jason Isringhausen (P STL)
30 LES Warrior Huston Street (P OAK)
Round 4
31 LES Warrior Dustin Hermanson (P CHW)
32 unf heartless basturds Bobby Abreu (OF PHI)
33 next level John Smoltz (P ATL)
34 mikesyanks Andruw Jones (OF ATL)
35 butlers bulldogs Jason Bay (OF PIT)
36 Brew Crew Roy Halladay (P TOR)
37 Chi-Town Scrubs Brian Roberts (2B BAL)
38 Brew Crew Alfonso Soriano (2B WAS)
39 PADRES Miguel Tejada (SS BAL)
40 Ministry of Darkness Miguel M. Cabrera (OF FLA)
Round 5
41 Ministry of Darkness Michael Young (SS TEX)
42 PADRES David Wright (3B NYM)
43 Brew Crew Chone Figgins (3B ANA)
44 Chi-Town Scrubs Jose B. Reyes (SS NYM)
45 Brew Crew Eddie Guardado (P SEA)
46 butlers bulldogs Brian Fuentes (P COL)
47 mikesyanks Derek Jeter (SS NYY)
48 next level Ichiro Suzuki (OF SEA)
49 unf heartless basturds Carlos Zambrano (P CHC)
50 LES Warrior Bartolo Colon (P ANA)
Round 6
51 LES Warrior Francisco Cordero (P TEX)
52 unf heartless basturds Scott Podsednik (OF CHW)
53 next level Rafael Furcal (SS LA)
54 mikesyanks Jason Giambi (1B NYY)
55 butlers bulldogs Jon Garland (P CHW)
56 Brew Crew Mark Buehrle (P CHW)
57 Chi-Town Scrubs John Patterson (P WAS)
58 Brew Crew Julio Lugo (SS TB)
59 PADRES Randy Johnson (P NYY)
60 Ministry of Darkness Todd Helton (1B COL)
Round 7
61 Ministry of Darkness Chase Utley (2B PHI)
62 PADRES Adam Dunn (OF CIN)
63 Brew Crew Ryan Dempster (P CHC)
64 Chi-Town Scrubs Gary Sheffield (OF NYY)
65 Brew Crew Juan Pierre (OF CHC)
66 butlers bulldogs Jimmy Rollins (SS PHI)
67 mikesyanks Carlos Beltran (OF NYM)
68 next level Grady Sizemore (OF CLE)
69 unf heartless basturds Barry Zito (P OAK)
70 LES Warrior Carlos Delgado (1B NYM)
Round 8
71 LES Warrior Braden Looper (P STL)
72 unf heartless basturds Ben Sheets (P MIL)
73 next level Jeff Kent (2B LA)
74 mikesyanks Johnny Damon (OF NYY)
75 butlers bulldogs Carlos N. Lee (OF MIL)
76 Brew Crew Ken Griffey (OF CIN)
77 Chi-Town Scrubs Rich Harden (P OAK)
78 Brew Crew Miguel Batista (P ARI)
79 PADRES Victor J. Martinez (C CLE)
80 Ministry of Darkness Eric Gagne (P LA)
Round 9
81 Ministry of Darkness Bobby Jenks (P CHW)
82 PADRES Lance Berkman (1B HOU)
83 Brew Crew Morgan Ensberg (3B HOU)
84 Chi-Town Scrubs Cliff Floyd (OF NYM)
85 Brew Crew Paul Byrd (P CLE)
86 butlers bulldogs Aramis Ramirez (3B CHC)
87 mikesyanks Hideki Matsui (OF NYY)
88 next level Josh Beckett (P BOS)
89 unf heartless basturds Kyle Farnsworth (P NYY)
90 LES Warrior Cliff Lee (P CLE)
Round 10
91 LES Warrior Randy Winn (OF SF)
92 unf heartless basturds Felipe Lopez (SS CIN)
93 next level Coco Crisp (OF BOS)
94 mikesyanks Mark Prior (P CHC)
95 butlers bulldogs Carlos Silva (P MIN)
96 Brew Crew Brian Giles (OF SD)
97 Chi-Town Scrubs Joe Mauer (C MIN)
98 Brew Crew Travis Hafner (U CLE)
99 PADRES Paul Konerko (1B CHW)
100 Ministry of Darkness Tom Gordon (P PHI)
Round 11
101 Ministry of Darkness Felix Hernandez (P SEA)
102 PADRES Richie Sexson (1B SEA)
103 Brew Crew Justin Duchscherer (P OAK)
104 Chi-Town Scrubs Jorge L. Cantu (2B TB)
105 Brew Crew Kevin Millwood (P TEX)
106 butlers bulldogs Derek Lowe (P LA)
107 mikesyanks Jason Schmidt (P SF)
108 next level Marcus Giles (2B ATL)
109 unf heartless basturds Tony Clark (1B ARI)
110 LES Warrior Raul Ibanez (OF SEA)
Round 12
111 LES Warrior Pat Burrell (OF PHI)
112 unf heartless basturds Jeff Weaver (P ANA)
113 next level Aaron Harang (P CIN)
114 mikesyanks Jim Edmonds (OF STL)
115 butlers bulldogs Bruce Chen (P BAL)
116 Brew Crew Mike Timlin (P BOS)
117 Chi-Town Scrubs Willy Taveras (OF HOU)
118 Brew Crew Brett Myers (P PHI)
119 PADRES Vernon Wells (OF TOR)
120 Ministry of Darkness Matt Holliday (OF COL)
Round 13
121 Ministry of Darkness Jason Varitek (C BOS)
122 PADRES Barry Bonds (OF SF)
123 Brew Crew Shawn Green (OF ARI)
124 Chi-Town Scrubs Mark Mulder (P STL)
125 Brew Crew Troy Glaus (3B TOR)
126 butlers bulldogs Jermaine Dye (OF CHW)
127 mikesyanks Scott Rolen (3B STL)
128 next level A.J. Burnett (P TOR)
129 unf heartless basturds Dan Haren (P OAK)
130 LES Warrior Mike M. MacDougal (P KC)
Round 14
131 LES Warrior Chris Capuano (P MIL)
132 unf heartless basturds Bill E. Hall (SS MIL)
133 next level Bob Howry (P CHC)
134 mikesyanks Jorge Posada (C NYY)
135 butlers bulldogs Shea Hillenbrand (1B TOR)
136 Brew Crew Eric Chavez (3B OAK)
137 Chi-Town Scrubs Kenny Rogers (P DET)
138 Brew Crew Torii Hunter (OF MIN)
139 PADRES Jeff Francoeur (OF ATL)
140 Ministry of Darkness Brandon Webb (P ARI)
Round 15
141 Ministry of Darkness C.C. Sabathia (P CLE)
142 PADRES Rickie Weeks (2B MIL)
143 Brew Crew Brad Radke (P MIN)
144 Chi-Town Scrubs Joe Blanton (P OAK)
145 Brew Crew Chad Tracy (OF ARI)
146 butlers bulldogs David Weathers (P CIN)
147 mikesyanks John Lackey (P ANA)
148 next level Tim Wakefield (P BOS)
149 unf heartless basturds Placido Polanco (2B DET)
150 LES Warrior Jose Guillen (OF WAS)
Round 16
151 LES Warrior Emil Brown (OF KC)
152 unf heartless basturds Tadahito Iguchi (2B CHW)
153 next level Moises Alou (OF SF)
154 mikesyanks Javy Lopez (C BAL)
155 butlers bulldogs Melvin Mora (3B BAL)
156 Brew Crew Mike Sweeney (1B KC)
157 Chi-Town Scrubs Jose Mesa (P COL)
158 Brew Crew Scot Shields (P ANA)
159 PADRES Ivan Rodriguez (C DET)
160 Ministry of Darkness Aaron Rowand (OF PHI)
Round 17
161 Ministry of Darkness Curt Schilling (P BOS)
162 PADRES Noah Lowry (P SF)
163 Brew Crew Jose A. Contreras (P CHW)
164 Chi-Town Scrubs Brady Clark (OF MIL)
165 Brew Crew Ryan P. Freel (2B CIN)
166 butlers bulldogs Craig Monroe (OF DET)
167 mikesyanks Craig Biggio (2B HOU)
168 next level Chipper Jones (3B ATL)
169 unf heartless basturds Geoff Jenkins (OF MIL)
170 LES Warrior Kenny Lofton (OF LA)
Round 18
171 LES Warrior Jhonny Peralta (SS CLE)
172 unf heartless basturds Juan Encarnacion (OF STL)
173 next level Adam Kennedy (2B ANA)
174 mikesyanks Livan Hernandez (P WAS)
175 butlers bulldogs Sean Casey (1B PIT)
176 Brew Crew Garret Anderson (OF ANA)
177 Chi-Town Scrubs Omar Vizquel (SS SF)
178 Brew Crew Reggie Sanders (OF KC)
179 PADRES Tim Hudson (P ATL)
180 Ministry of Darkness Hank Blalock (3B TEX)
Round 19
181 Ministry of Darkness A.J. Pierzynski (C CHW)
182 PADRES Armando Benitez (P SF)
183 Brew Crew Preston Wilson (OF HOU)
184 Chi-Town Scrubs Kevin Mench (OF TEX)
185 Brew Crew David Eckstein (SS STL)
186 butlers bulldogs Mark Ellis (2B OAK)
187 mikesyanks Javier Vazquez (P CHW)
188 next level Chris Shelton (1B DET)
189 unf heartless basturds Jeromy Burnitz (OF PIT)
190 LES Warrior Craig Counsell (2B ARI)
Round 20
191 LES Warrior Bengie Molina (C TOR)
192 unf heartless basturds Paul Lo Duca (C NYM)
193 next level Jonny J. Gomes (OF TB)
194 mikesyanks Scott Kazmir (P TB)
195 butlers bulldogs Mark Kotsay (OF OAK)
196 Brew Crew Ray Durham (2B SF)
197 Chi-Town Scrubs Nick Johnson (1B WAS)
198 Brew Crew Dmitri Young (1B DET)
199 PADRES Jose Valverde (P ARI)
200 Ministry of Darkness Mike Gonzalez (P PIT)
Round 21
201 Ministry of Darkness Doug Davis (P MIL)
202 PADRES Jeremy Bonderman (P DET)
203 Brew Crew Michael Barrett (C CHC)
204 Chi-Town Scrubs Garrett Atkins (3B COL)
205 Brew Crew Javier Valentin (C CIN)
206 butlers bulldogs Ramon Hernandez (C BAL)
207 mikesyanks Oliver Perez (P PIT)
208 next level Rod Barajas (C TEX)
209 unf heartless basturds Bill Mueller (3B LA)
210 LES Warrior Joe Randa (3B PIT)
Round 22
211 LES Warrior Mike Piazza (C SD)
212 unf heartless basturds Jason LaRue (C CIN)
213 next level Toby Hall (C TB)
214 mikesyanks Kelvim Escobar (P ANA)
215 butlers bulldogs Gregg Zaun (C TOR)
216 Brew Crew Brian Schneider (C WAS)
217 Chi-Town Scrubs Yadier Molina (C STL)
218 Brew Crew Jason Kendall (C OAK)
219 PADRES Zach Duke (P PIT)
220 Ministry of Darkness Ryan Howard (1B PHI)


Now, you want to change your tune? Rivera at #3? Chad Cordero at #4? Arod falls to #7? Do I really need to go on? Dustin Hermanson at #31 should seal that deal. Remember I said there was only 1 live person there for the draft. Sportsline's rankings in the draft room are incredibly off base, and that's a fact.
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Postby TheGhostWhoWalks » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:01 am

Um, the other people probably preranked their teams. You are familiar with that concept are you not?

Their draft room defaults to their own rankings. You can see their rankings.
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Postby Madison » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:04 am

TheGhostWhoWalks wrote:Um, the other people probably preranked their teams. You are familiar with that concept are you not?

Their draft room defaults to their own rankings. You can see their rankings.


You really think 9 other teams preranked all closers first?

Look, I helped my wife with that draft. The simple fact is that they had Rivera at #1, Pujols at #11, and Arod at #12. I didn't pay any more attention to the rankings after that. That's what they were, and they are totally screwed up. Pretty hard not to notice when they are that messed up.

Maybe it's been fixed since then (this draft was about a week and a half ago, so it's possible), but at the time of the draft, those were the rankings, and they are way off base. I've used Sportsline in the past, and never seen anything quite like this out of them. Maybe they fixed it, who knows, but the rankings were ridiculously off base when that draft was held.
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Postby johntudor » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:06 am

I don't know the statistics behind it, but there must be a flaw in the weight they're giving to certain categories. Relief pitchers are obviously way overvalued, and top offensive production is ridiculously undervalued in those rankings. It also looks like they're not taking into consideration # of innings in ranking pitchers.

To autodraft based on those rankings is clearly a bad idea, but for the most part I like Sportsline's projections. With a little work you can rank your players using their projections far more accurately than Yahoo's list does.
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Postby moose32 » Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:08 pm

cbs rankings are the worst ever

I ended up getting arod wright crawford and young in the first four rounds
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