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Postby yankee_cafe » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:06 am

I'm curious how the cafe feels about Jeff Francis. Many were high on him a few years back, but his first full year was a big disappointment.

And it wasn't even the Coors effect that did him in as his numbers on the road were even worse.

Does anyone except this young Canadian kid's numbers to improve this year?
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Postby avsfan4ever33 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:15 pm

I believe Francis will defienetly improve this year. Last year he had a lot of pressure put on him, and at one point was the staff ace. This year he should be the #3 pitcher in the rotation, so I think he will do better.

Probably similiar win numbers as last year with an ERA in the 4s.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:28 pm

Not that high on Jeff Francis. A little overhyped if you ask me.

A good young Canuck to keep your eye on is Adam Loewen. 4th overall pick in the 2002 draft and shut out Team USA for 3 2/3 innings at the WBC. He is only 21, a lefty and will start at AA for the Orioles this year. If your league has a minor league roster I would suggest keeping an eye on Adam Loewen.
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Postby hybrid » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:41 pm

Rpeat after me, never take a Coors pitcher ... keep repeating it over and over now.

Honestly though I don't remember seeing many that were high on him. He could be a pretty good young pitcher anywhere else, but most everyone knew that Coors would kill him one way or another. It pretty much messes with everything a pitcher needs to be successful: confidence, mechanics, and secondary pitches. Add to it that Francis doesn't have over powering stuff as he mainly relies on control and I wouldn't hold much optimism for him.
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Postby avsfan4ever33 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:11 pm

hybrid wrote:Rpeat after me, never take a Coors pitcher ... keep repeating it over and over now.

Honestly though I don't remember seeing many that were high on him. He could be a pretty good young pitcher anywhere else, but most everyone knew that Coors would kill him one way or another. It pretty much messes with everything a pitcher needs to be successful: confidence, mechanics, and secondary pitches. Add to it that Francis doesn't have over powering stuff as he mainly relies on control and I wouldn't hold much optimism for him.


If you look at his Coors numbers last year they were actually decent... he got killed on the road though.
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Postby garf112 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:33 pm

I think he'll be OK this year. His huge breakout is going to come in 2007. That's just my opinion, though. It is also my opinion that he is the perfect pitcher for Coors because he relies on location and changing speeds so much. Still a big risk.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:39 pm

not worth it. i told people that last year, i will tell them again this year. its just not worth it. the best that you can hope for is mediocre numbers from him while there worst that can happen is that he will ruin your era and whip.
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Postby hybrid » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:09 pm

avsfan4ever33 wrote:If you look at his Coors numbers last year they were actually decent... he got killed on the road though.


He got killed at home and the road, the only real difference was he walked people on the road. At home he still had a WHIP above 1.50, he was fairly lucky to have his ERA under 5.
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Postby jebnasty » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:40 pm

Coors field equals large ERA's.
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Postby jayman » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:17 pm

I feel sorry for Francis. If he were any team besides Texas or Colorado he'd be something to talk about.
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