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by **glcmustliveon** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:30 am

Damn that thing has some serious movement. If he came over hed have success his first time around with a pitch like that...

by **thedude** » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:37 am

S**t that must be a tough pitch to handel.

:-?

Now if that kid in the video didn't leave it up in the zone.

by **Yoda** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:01 pm

Check out the movement on this pitch... This was thrown at 91 MPH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdr0N9HD ... =Matsuzaka

What the heck is it? At the end it tails into the batter :-?

by **thedude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:02 pm

The Gyroball is like the Nessy. A few people claim to have seen it, we all want to beilve it exists, and every video "proving" it exists is so grainy you can't really make it out.

by **J35J** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:58 pm

Yoda wrote:Check out the movement on this pitch... This was thrown at 91 MPH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdr0N9HD ... =Matsuzaka

What the heck is it? At the end it tails into the batter

The movement doesn't really look any different than a splitter or a good 2 seamer. It looks as if it is just a 2 seamer in his hand. I've seen many a Greg Maddux 2 seamers do much the same.

Jason

by **Yoda** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:07 pm

J35J wrote:
Yoda wrote:Check out the movement on this pitch... This was thrown at 91 MPH:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdr0N9HD ... =Matsuzaka

What the heck is it? At the end it tails into the batter

The movement doesn't really look any different than a splitter or a good 2 seamer. It looks as if it is just a 2 seamer in his hand. I've seen many a Greg Maddux 2 seamers do much the same.

Jason

You might be right but it looks more like a reverse slider the way it breaks that hard in on the righty. Also that was thrown at 91 MPH according to the gun.

by **Yoda** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:32 pm

Also, check out his grip in slo-mo. It's not a splitter or a 2 seamer. You can make out the seams if you look real close.

by **j_d_mcnugent** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:37 pm

i dont know about grips and arm angles but i agree with J35J. that looks like a maddux pitch.

by **Pedantic** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:02 pm

Hasn't Matsuzaka himself said that he doesn't throw a gyroball?

by **thedude** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:13 pm

I maintain the Gyroball is "shineball" of the 2000's.

A shine ball is when was a pitch thrown by eddie Cicotte and others. the pitcher would rub the ball on his jersey. it was supposed to make the ball have a sharper break. Cicotte would deny any knowledge of the shine the press one day and drop hints he threw it the next. He basically used it as a mental trick to make batters think more.

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