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Postby brandnew » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:20 am

Great players don't make other players better in baseball. It's the most individual sport other than golf. You can't go up there and help your teammate when he's at the plate against Roger Clemens flailing at balls in the dirt. Your argument makes no sense.
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Postby looptid » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:56 am

If you want to go by VORP and the semi-accepted standard of 10 runs equalling a win, Pujols by himself brings around 10 wins a season, which is huge. That is his value. That would have brought the Royals up to 66 wins last year. He's worth around 10 wins whether he plays for a condtender or a door matt. Anyone that bats .330/.430/.609 over 700 plate appearances has huge value to their team, regardless of how the team winds up in the standings. It doesn't matter if a player signed for big money with a poor team, as opposed to being developed by that team or traded to that team.
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Postby Iconoclastic » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:51 pm

brandnew wrote:Great players don't make other players better in baseball. It's the most individual sport other than golf. You can't go up there and help your teammate when he's at the plate against Roger Clemens flailing at balls in the dirt. Your argument makes no sense.


Can't a great baserunner on first base help the batter by causing chaos on the basepaths and distracting the pitcher?
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Postby SouthBronxBombers » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:06 pm

brandnew wrote:Great players don't make other players better in baseball. It's the most individual sport other than golf. You can't go up there and help your teammate when he's at the plate against Roger Clemens flailing at balls in the dirt. Your argument makes no sense.


While you can't help him hit, you can certainly affect the pitches he gets. As the previous person mentioned, distracting the person while on base. If the great player is hitting behind him, it usually means he will see more fastballs as well. While it might not mean that much against Clemens, 99.9% of the pitchers are not as good as Clemens either.
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Postby nuggets » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:37 pm

Iconoclastic wrote:
brandnew wrote:Great players don't make other players better in baseball. It's the most individual sport other than golf. You can't go up there and help your teammate when he's at the plate against Roger Clemens flailing at balls in the dirt. Your argument makes no sense.


Can't a great baserunner on first base help the batter by causing chaos on the basepaths and distracting the pitcher?


He also can effect the type of pitch thrown, giving a hitter/manager a better idea of what is coming as well as decreasing the change of a slower, less controllable breaking pitch. i.e. Mark Teixeira and Hank Blalock have benefited somewhat from Micheal Young and Soriano being on base ahead of them.
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Postby bigh0rt » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:21 pm

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If the guy has the best numbers, how can he not mean anything to his team's success? It's not his fault his teammates are awful.


1. If his team sucks, who cares about his numbers

2. Great players elevate the play of their teammates and make their teams relevant.

3. If you take the money to play for a crappy team, you don't deserve MVP.

4. Its a heck of a lot easier to get good numbers when your team is out of the race.


1. Every knowledgable fantasy owner, but I digress. It's not his fault his team sucks, if he's doing his part.

2. That's a myth in the game of baseball. In a fluid team game like basketball, sure, but not a game where a man steps in the batters box by himself. You'll have a heck of a time convincing me otherwise.

3. Nothing more than your opinion. I find it hard to believe you'd do anything other than take top dollar if given the opportunity, for your career.

4. Statistical evidence, please?

Sounds like a bunch of lopsided opinions being spewed here. Welcome to the Cafe, where stuff like this gets called out.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:23 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Harold Reynolds just predicted Crosby will win the AL MVP this year. I'm high on the kid, but this seems a little over the edge. Could this be the breakout year we've all been waiting for from him?


I know the A's sucks without him but MVP is ARod's barring an injury
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Re: Bobby Crosby, MVP

Postby bigh0rt » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:28 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Harold Reynolds just predicted Crosby will win the AL MVP this year. I'm high on the kid, but this seems a little over the edge. Could this be the breakout year we've all been waiting for from him?


I know the A's sucks without him but MVP is ARod's barring an injury


It's a good thing we don't hang out MVP awards in March ;-7

Guys like Hafner, Teixeira, and even teammate Jason Giambi if he bounces back to where he once was when he was winning the AL MVP, will have something to say about A-Rod's 'shoe in' 06 MVP Award...
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:33 pm

bigh0rt wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:Harold Reynolds just predicted Crosby will win the AL MVP this year. I'm high on the kid, but this seems a little over the edge. Could this be the breakout year we've all been waiting for from him?


I know the A's sucks without him but MVP is ARod's barring an injury


It's a good thing we don't hang out MVP awards in March ;-7

Guys like Hafner, Teixeira, and even teammate Jason Giambi if he bounces back to where he once was when he was winning the AL MVP, will have something to say about A-Rod's 'shoe in' 06 MVP Award...


check back with me by the end of the season ;-7
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Postby Half Massed » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:21 pm

Crosby is having trouble staying healthy pre-season. He's been having to DH because he's having some arm (shoulder?) trouble still. He won't be DHing during the year because of Thomas, so he has to play SS. I think in the future he'll be an MVP candidate, but I'm having trouble seeing him stay healthy enough to do it this year.

He took a good step when he was healthy last year, but it'll take at least another few steps to get to MVP level.
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