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Postby knapplc » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:06 pm

Madison wrote:Everything Madison has said in this thread.

Madison can speak for me on this subject any time. I just read through four pages of this stuff, and I have yet to disagree with a single thing he said. ;-D
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Postby TheRock » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:40 pm

dannyolbb wrote:What tactic? When I said they were fundamentalists? Isn't that what they call themselves? Honestly - I don't understand. What should I call them?


Calling you out on your stereotyping in an attempt to discredit those who disagree with you. And you're still doing it. Read through the entire article again. Point out to me a single word that indicates that anyone who objected was doing so because they were religious fundamentalists.
Several parents said children in the school — which consists of kindergarten through sixth grade — were not old enough to understand the concept of changing one's gender.

"I, as a parent, am appalled to have this issue brought into my child's psychology," Steve Bond said.


And if you read carefully, that's the point being made throughout this thread. Let's stop the stereotyping and stick to the issues.
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Postby JustAnotherYanksFan » Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:53 pm

hybrid wrote:In all honesty I bet an elementary school kid would take it better then a H.S. kid. Once you become a teenager, most of them are already under the impressions of what this stereotypical society brings on them. Just like some of your reactions are transgender = yuck, it's a bit of an ignorant comment. Small kids on the other hand haven't been exposed to the faults of the society we have created. Thus a younger kid would more accepting of something like that even though they may not understand it.

For everyone who thinks it's wrong, must also not agree with gay couples having kids. Because that in some way must confuse them, maybe even make them gay (yes some people do think that), etc etc.


Exactly. It was really interesting to me to see how this thread opened up with post after post saying how disgusting this is. It seems to me that this only seems "disgusting" to us because we're not used to this sort of thing; our society doesn't really teach this as being normal or acceptable.

So I guess there are really two questions here. One, does the right of the parent to decide when/how to explain this stuff to his child trump the right of the teacher to do what she wants with her life? And two, is this actually a sensitive topic to explain to a child, or do we only perceive it that way because that's how we were taught to view it in the society that raised us?
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Postby Madison » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:09 am

JustAnotherYanksFan wrote:So I guess there are really two questions here. One, does the right of the parent to decide when/how to explain this stuff to his child trump the right of the teacher to do what she wants with her life?


Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: The teacher should have been well aware that a sex change operation could result in the loss of his/her job due to working with small children. Worst case, he/she gets to keep his/her job, but has to transfer to a different school. Common sense would tell him/her that much.

JustAnotherYanksFan wrote:And two, is this actually a sensitive topic to explain to a child, or do we only perceive it that way because that's how we were taught to view it in the society that raised us?


Are there any 5 year old kids in this world, or even any in the past, that fully understood everything about sex at 5 years old? I'm not talking about one intelligently gifted kid here or there, I'm talking any society in general, where the details of sex are common knowledge for 5 year olds. I don't know of a single one, so the way we are raised doesn't come into play. Most 5 year old kids do not have the intelligence level to fully understand this kind of thing, so we must wait until they are old enough to do so. Trying to explain it all now will only confuse the kids, and that's definitely not the way to go.

Oh, and notice that quite a few people in this thread have said nothing negative about the teacher, or the choice that he/she made. Some of us respect his/her right to do what he/she wants, but also expect him/her to understand that his/her choices of that magnitude do in fact affect others, and he/she does have to understand that choices like this can, and will change his/her life. Job is just one of many things that can, or will change due to his/her decision to change sexes.
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Postby knapplc » Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:02 am

Does this teacher have both X and Y chromosomes or just two X chromosomes? That's the real question. If he/she has two Xs then this is fine by me. If he/she has both X and Y then this person has a mental problem.

We are male or female not by what we THINK we are, but by what genetic makeup we are. Males have both X and Y chromosomes; females have only X chromosomes. That's reality. There's no way to argue that.

This teacher is a brave figure for risking society's backlash if he/she has two Xs and has been living life as a male all this time.

This teacher is in need of a good mental health specialist if he/she has both X and Y chromosomes and went through this process because he/she THINKS he/she should be female. That's clearly a case of mental instability.

I find it astounding that mental health "doctors" support and encourage people in gender reassignments without ever bothering to approach the problem scientifically. A scientific approach would be to analyze the subject's genetic makeup, then gear treatment toward fixing the "problem," whether that "problem" is ambiguous gender due to genetics or gender confusion due to mental problems. Unfortunately that's not being done these days and we end up with people who have been surgically altered to look like the opposite sex but who are genetically still male or female.

If I told a psychiatrist that I thought I was a leopard he would treat my obvious mental instability, because my DNA makes me a human. Why is it different for people who have gender confusion?
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:10 pm

I agree with that knapp. There also some people who are born XXY or XXX, which really screws with with their gender.

But really, if you have a schlong, two balls, one X and one Y chromosome, you're a dude.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:21 pm

I'm still more concerned about her age than her odd plumbing job. I don't think that teachers have the same age decline issues as say MLB players but 71 is definitely pushing the envelope. And she didn't look exactly spry in the pic either...
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:19 pm

Art Vandelay wrote:Also, I see this as a step in the right direction for the rights of other people like this...I mean, look at some of the comments in this thread for example:

Sex changes are weird and make me feel uncomfortable...I mean WTF

She/he's 71 for cryn out loud WTF just creepy and confusing. No way should it be allowed to teach in the same school that it had taught before

LIsten being gay is fine, dressing like a woman fine whatever, turning into a woman! UNCOOL!

That is just sick

I wonder if she(it feels weird saying she when she is a he) lives her parents?

If I had a kid that had a sex change, I'd disown them. That's just me though.


It's one thing to find something like this odd and weird, but quite another to dehumanize someone by calling them "it." It's no surprise though, society as a whole is very intollerant of cases like this.

Uh yeah, its because its not something that occurs in nature. Things like homosexuality and hermaphroditism do. Artificial sex changes do not. Also on Klinefelters Syndrom (XXY chromosome instead of X/Y), theres no proof linking that and gender identity and confusion syndromes.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:26 pm

DK wrote:
Omaha Red Sox wrote:Lily has decided to be an "it". She/He has disrespected gender.


No, Lily has decided to be a female. It's disrespectful to call her otherwise. You are disrespecting her gender.

She doesn't fit the scientific definition of female because she does not produce ovum or egg cells. She fits somewhere in between eunuch and female now, scientifically.
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