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Postby Big Pimpin » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:04 pm

I've drank the Kool-Aid and it is good! I will be taking VMart #1 overall. Position scarcity baby! ;-D
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Postby J_Cuz » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:07 pm

Cleveland Steamers wrote:...catching can be had late and cheap.


That is the issue here. Sure if everyone is playing possum on Martinez and the 5th, 6th round rolls around maybe you select him but anyone would be hard pressed to take him even over a Berkman or a Sheffield.
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Postby BigLebowski » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:09 pm

olympia0731 wrote:You Guys are starting to convince and this my be wrong but You must look at this problem the other way as well.

THIS is a possible team.

Vmart
UTLEY
tejada

add three outfielders that can be had later:

Wells
Crisp
Holliday.

Now lets look at three outfielders

Bay
Ichiro
Berkman

Three players to be had later

Posada
Robert
lugo.

Now:

c: vmat .305 25 90 90
2b: Utley:.302 20 100 100 17
ss: Tejada .298 33 114 6
of: Welss .289 30 98 98 10
of: Holliday .303 25 90 90 15
of: Crisp .300 20 80 95 22



c: Posada .260 20 75 65 o
2b: Roberts .282 11 60 98 25
ss: lugo: .285 4 50 90 35
of: Bay : .303 30 105 105 18
0f: Ichiro .330 11 60 110 33
of:BERKMAN .300 30 100 100 0

Utley tejada and Vmart, outpruduce Posada Roberts and Lugo, more than Bay Ichiro and Berkman out produce wells Holliday Crisp. Position scarcity is the way to go.


Your logic is a little messed up.

First of all you could never get Utley and Tejada in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.to go with your 1st round V-Mart. And who in their right mind would draft 3 OF in the first 3 rounds.

blah blah blah..

While V-mart is talented and I would love to have him on my team, I will never draft a catcher in the first 20 rounds of a mixed league draft unless someone is 2-3 rounds later than I think they should go.

It's too easy to win with a cheap catcher. It's a fact that has been proven to work time and time again.

Draft him if you want, I can always find comparable talent later in the draft.
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Postby olympia0731 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:17 pm

The draft was Utly then Tejada then Vmart.
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Postby BigLebowski » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:22 pm

olympia0731 wrote:The draft was Utly then Tejada then Vmart.

OK..who would take Utley in the 1st?
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Postby J_Cuz » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:24 pm

How would drafting Bay alter your ability to carry out that pipe dream?
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Postby dannahann » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:28 pm

Looking at the average draft position per ESPN you kinda stacked the deck here.
The six players picked in Bay's bracket average being picked 11+ slots later EACH, than do the players drafted in VMart's bracket. And the bias is even WORSE when you look at where you you had a guy taking the 3OF versus where you had them taking the replacement SS 2B and C. ESPN guesstimates those 3 OF go at (ADP) 72 89 and 92 and you somehow think it's FAIR to compare THAT to a 2B picked 87 a SS picked 107 and a C picked 132?? You're screwing THAT guy to make your point. You have to factor in what will happen in the picks you're screwing him out of. Fact is THAT guy could be building a stronger pitching staff than the VMart guy while waiting until the proper round to draft his replacements at the thin positions.
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Postby Wharton93 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:33 pm

Positional scarcity is a myth. The days of Barry Larkin and 10 cripples at shortstop or Ryne Sandberg and 10 cripples at 2B or even Mike Piazza and 10 cripples at Catcher are long, long gone. Draft best available, more or less.
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Re: Why Vmart is more valuable than Bay:

Postby thinkspin » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:33 pm

olympia0731 wrote:Here is why position Scarcity is a true concept.

blah blah blah

This is a fact.


I took out all the unimportant stuff. That is a fact.

If you adhere to position scarcity, AROD is your man. Not VMART.

Shoot, Mauer has a scarcity comps similar to VMART and is MORE valuable in some formats.

With a small sample size, these position scarcity guys can show you that it exists, but over the entire population of draftable players, value trumps it everytime.
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Re: Why Vmart is more valuable than Bay:

Postby dannahann » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:40 pm

thinkspin wrote:With a small sample size, these position scarcity guys can show you that it exists, but over the entire population of draftable players, value trumps it everytime.

EXACTLY. Positional scarcity is a much bigger deal in fantasy football (well for one position) but it's a bigtime mistake to carry that concept to baseball. I know, I'm not to proud to admit that I used to make exactly the same error myself. !+) There's just such a deep pool of similar talent in baseball and the impact any one position makes on one's roto line is minimum in comparison to say a pair of feature backs to a FB roster.
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