Harden? Overrated? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Harden? Overrated?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Harden? Overrated?

Postby ferris182 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:59 pm

Hey Guys,

I've been seeing projections and rankings of SPs and I can't help but realize that Harden is ranked pretty high. He has had durability issues his first 2 years in the bigs and his numbers are not extraordinary.

I see Harden grouped together with pitchers like Zambrano, Prior, Halladay, Randy, Sheets, etc. I personally would rather grab a safer #1 or #2 starter rather than Harden.

Is he over-rated?
Why is he way up in the rankings with being fairly unproven in the big leagues?
ferris182
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar

Posts: 391
Joined: 20 Dec 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Chicago

Postby Green Monstah » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:04 pm

I do agree that he is def a risk in terms of injury. But in terms of stats, I don't think he is overrated in any way (I watched 3 of his games last season as well on TV...he can flat out pitch and understands situations very well). His home and away stats are nearly identical...and with a 1.06 WHIP and ~1K/inning, it draws your attention. I think you take the risk of injury with him in the hopes he will put together a complete season...cause if he does 8-o
Green Monstah
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor

User avatar
Matchup Meltdown Survivor
Posts: 787
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: MA

Postby Art Vandelay » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:06 pm

I don't think he's being overrated at all. I expect good things from Harden this year, and in the future. Out of the pitchers that you named I put him smack in the middle:

Halladay
Sheets
Harden
Prior
Zambrano
Johnson
Art Vandelay
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

CafeholicFantasy ExpertPick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 5265
Joined: 12 Mar 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:13 pm

He apparently has amazing 'stuff' that warrants putting him up that high. This doesn't show up in the numbers that much but is worth something.

I agree that the other guys look better but, he's likely to be the last of that bunch off the board so, if you take bats instead of SP, he might be a decent 'damaged goods' option if, of course, he's recovered fully.

I'd take CZam or Prior or Unit before him though as Harden did not get me quite as many K as I'd hoped last year and prefer SP w/ bunches of K to help w/ that cat.
AcidRock23
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterEagle Eye
Posts: 4170
Joined: 8 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Champaign, IL

Postby StudentOfTheGame » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:20 pm

AcidRock23 wrote:He apparently has amazing 'stuff' that warrants putting him up that high. This doesn't show up in the numbers that much but is worth something.

I agree that the other guys look better but, he's likely to be the last of that bunch off the board so, if you take bats instead of SP, he might be a decent 'damaged goods' option if, of course, he's recovered fully.

I'd take CZam or Prior or Unit before him though as Harden did not get me quite as many K as I'd hoped last year and prefer SP w/ bunches of K to help w/ that cat.


To me, he has the best "stuff" in the majors besides Felix Hernandez....96-100 mph fastball, plus slider, plus changeup, and a filthy split finger pitch.....He has closer's stuff but he does pitch like a starter.....Doesn't try to strike everyone out....To go with all his pitches and his feel for pitching, he's a pretty darn good fielder too...He broke into baseball as an outfielder....This guy is an outstanding prospect and I have him rated pretty high. I dont think he is overrated at all.
StudentOfTheGame
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1478
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Behind the plate calling a perfect game

Postby Zito is God » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:34 pm

AcidRock23 wrote:He apparently has amazing 'stuff' that warrants putting him up that high. This doesn't show up in the numbers that much but is worth something.

I agree that the other guys look better but, he's likely to be the last of that bunch off the board so, if you take bats instead of SP, he might be a decent 'damaged goods' option if, of course, he's recovered fully.

I'd take CZam or Prior or Unit before him though as Harden did not get me quite as many K as I'd hoped last year and prefer SP w/ bunches of K to help w/ that cat.


What stats have you been looking at?

Nearly a K/IP ratio every year in the bigs (amazing for a starter).
His K/BB ratio was 3/1 last season. His ERA has been SIGNIFICANTLY dropping everyyear since he came to the majors, so has his opponents batting average. What in the WORLD are you talking about?!?!?! :-?
Image

Sean Tracey has my apologies, we all know Ozzie Guillen is an idiot. I'm rooting for you!
Zito is God
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Cafe WriterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 4169
Joined: 11 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Secretly advising Cashman.

Postby Yoda » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:36 pm

If he keeps his BB down like he did in 2005, he will be dominant.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby StudentOfTheGame » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:39 pm

This doesn't mean much, but its just something I remember from last year that gives you an idea of how good this kid is....In a minor league rehab start for the A's triple A affiliate, Harden pitched 3 innings, struck out 7 while only using 30 pitches.....He was slated to throw 60 pitches, but the manager had seen enough after that...
StudentOfTheGame
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 1478
Joined: 13 Apr 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Behind the plate calling a perfect game

Postby acsguitar » Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:43 pm

Harden is young and nasty...He'll have a great future
I'm too lazy to make a sig at the moment
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Postby AcidRock23 » Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:06 pm

Zito is God wrote:What stats have you been looking at?

Nearly a K/IP ratio every year in the bigs (amazing for a starter).
His K/BB ratio was 3/1 last season. His ERA has been SIGNIFICANTLY dropping everyyear since he came to the majors, so has his opponents batting average. What in the WORLD are you talking about?!?!?! :-?


Just K and that 121 last year was not quite as many I needed out of him and that I expect the other guys to get more K. Obviously being shut down was the biggest part of that, I agree he's a great pitcher but I don't want to draft him and have him end up in a 'gray area' hovering in between pitching and the DL while the As play their cards as to his status close to their chest.

I suspect that he'll be fine and be a dominant force in the AL west but I'm not picking him b/c of the injury issues and, of course, my experience as a Cubs' fan watching pitchers who are 'fine' miss starts over and over and over again!! Unless its a bit later in the draft but I don't see him slipping that much b/c all of the reports are that he's 'fine' but not pitching in the WBC, for what that's worth...
AcidRock23
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterEagle Eye
Posts: 4170
Joined: 8 Mar 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Champaign, IL

Next

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Laicekl and 8 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Tuesday, Sep. 30
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Oakland at Kansas City
(8:07 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact