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Postby Bing Hampton » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:41 pm

Here's what doesn't add up for me:

how is he going to be walked "all of the time" and have his runs go down significantly? Peep some of barry's stats....
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Postby beltrans_boy » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:09 am

Bing Hampton wrote:Here's what doesn't add up for me:

how is he going to be walked "all of the time" and have his runs go down significantly? Peep some of barry's stats....


Well, the conventional wisdom (as ridiculous as it is) is that the player (in this case, Cabrera) won't have anybody to knock him in. Just another over-analyzation by fantasy managers.
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Postby nuggets » Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:48 pm

I'm having second thoughs on MCab being as good as believed by the "linup protection doesn't matter" camp. Exhibit A.

Exibit B: It seems people are pretty high on Hermida and feel he'll provide decent OBP and/or protection for Cabrera. I think he's a good hitter, but he's coming straight from AA. I'm not sure he isn't a good flop candidate. Is he really in that class of hitter, like Vlade, who went from AA to success? Even A-Rod stopped in AAA, for 32 games, Helton for one and a half seasons, Bonds for 44 games and a more comparable hitter like Paul O'Neill played a good amount of AAA ball before coming to the bigs.

The small sample size of his MLB experience (47 PA) isn't enough to garuanteed him success. The only good pitchers he faced were Patterson (1/3, 1K, 0 BB), Myers (0/3, 3K, O BB) and Farnsworth (0/1, K, 1 BB).

I see a reasonable chance of Hermida flopping and Cabrera producing more like he did the in last 3 monts of last season than he did in his first three.
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Postby J35J » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:17 pm

The way I see it is, yes his lineup will hurt him to a certain degree. I think if he was on at least a middle of the road offensive team or better then he could put up .320 35 120 120 type numbers. If the Marlins struggle to score runs, which is probably the case then i see his RBI and Runs go down to about 100-100 or 105-105 which does effect his draft status from mid first rd to late first or early second rd in my eyes.

Jason Bay is actually a good example of this. He had a very good year and "only" put up 101 RBI, on any of the top 15ish offenses he would have put up around 120 RBI pretty easily.


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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:45 pm

Are you saying this lineup is lame?

#1 Eric Reed CF
#2 Hanley Ramirez SS
#3 Jeremy Hermida RF
#4 Miguel Cabrera 3B
#5 Mike Jacobs 1B
#6 Josh Willingham C
#7 Chris Aguila LF
#8 Pokey Reese 2B
#9 pitcher

Yeah pretty much so.

Even Balco and Dr. Ting will not help half of these guys.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:47 pm

How'd Vlad do in Montreal? How'd Bay do in Pittsburgh?

Cabby will be ok. At least he better be ok, I took him 10th overall. :-o
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Postby nuggets » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:57 pm

Bay is about all Cab has going for him. Vlade is a totally different hitter, he does not apply.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:05 pm

nuggets wrote:Bay is about all Cab has going for him. Vlade is a totally different hitter, he does not apply.


The point is, they are all great hitters, and they will produce. You don't need a stud lineup around you to post some numbers.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:08 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
nuggets wrote:Bay is about all Cab has going for him. Vlade is a totally different hitter, he does not apply.


The point is, they are all great hitters, and they will produce. You don't need a stud lineup around you to post some numbers.



No but it doesn't hurt. MCab would be a consensus round 1 pick if not for the fact that he has Pokey Reese and Eric Reed and Hanley Ramirez among others supporting him.
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Postby Grouperman941 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:15 pm

TheYanks04 wrote:No but it doesn't hurt. MCab would be a consensus round 1 pick if not for the fact that he has Pokey Reese and Eric Reed and Hanley Ramirez among others supporting him.


Pokey was just released.
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