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Postby jkpigskin » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:29 pm

RynMan wrote:
nuggets wrote:Sure he could finish top 5. The only guys I'd surely put above him are Santana, Pedro and Peavy.


I agree. More so in a keeper.


very much so in a keeper... people are worried about peavy and his delievery so harden could be a better pick in the long run

he can out perform zito if he can just stay healthy
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Postby Jmar » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:39 pm

Do you think he can keep his ERA that low in the american league? Seems Peavy would have an edge there.
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Postby Jmar » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:40 pm

and don't forget, when comparing Peavy to Harden, Peavy has an injury history of his own.
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Postby nuggets » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:41 pm

rjforlife wrote:17 Wins, 200 K, with a 2.53 era and 1.06 WHIP. while he wont put up exactly those numbers, i think he could realistically put up those 17 wins with 200 K and an era around 2.85 and 1.05 whip.....putting him easily into the top 5, and likely only behind santana and peavy, and very close to peavy at that.


How's he going to get 17 wins, seems a little high. :-?
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Postby jkpigskin » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:44 pm

nuggets wrote:
rjforlife wrote:17 Wins, 200 K, with a 2.53 era and 1.06 WHIP. while he wont put up exactly those numbers, i think he could realistically put up those 17 wins with 200 K and an era around 2.85 and 1.05 whip.....putting him easily into the top 5, and likely only behind santana and peavy, and very close to peavy at that.


How's he going to get 17 wins, seems a little high. :-?


its wishfull thinking... a whip that microscopic is also wishful thinking... though harden does have the potential to do it.... i think hes capable of

15 wins, era close to 3 and a whip of 1.20

maybe 200k's.. again all depends on his health
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Postby George_Foreman » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:47 pm

Why wouldn't he win 17? :-? Oakland's got a great bullpen, and their offense isn't too shaby, either, especially if Frank Thomas can get 400 ABs.
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Postby RynMan » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:53 pm

Another thing to note about trying to predict wins; on top of the bullpen and offense, is how well a guy uses his pitches and has the ability to go deep into games. Zito is horrible at this and struggles to sometimes get wins as a result - in that the A's have struggled to score runs early enough.

Maybe groundball pitchers rather than strikeout pitchers tend to go deeper into games than strikeout guys. Hmmmm, might look into that one. :-?
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Postby nuggets » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:04 pm

RynMan wrote:Maybe groundball pitchers rather than strikeout pitchers tend to go deeper into games than strikeout guys. Hmmmm, might look into that one. :-?


Roughly speaking, the distribution looks pretty even.
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Postby Half Massed » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:14 pm

Harden's injuries are similar to Hudson's in the oblique area. He's a young strong guy, so he shouldn't be affected to negatively in the future. Some of the trouble was that he had somewhat of a weak core, but he's focused on that this offseason, so I don't think he'll be as troubled by injuries this year.
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Postby rjforlife » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:33 pm

i dont see any reason why harden wont win 17 games in 33 starts. he won 10 in 19 starts last season and that was a down year for chavy, they didnt have frank thomas, and street wasnt the closer for a portion of the time harden was pitching. with a 2.5-3.00 era its not that tough to win 17 games anyways. ill stand by my prediction.
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