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by **Jmar** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:53 pm

Anybody think he'll make the leap into a top 5 pitchers this year? Anybody think he'll out-permform Peavy?

by **curious_george_43545** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:55 pm

No to both, but I still think he'll be pretty good.

by **eftda** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:59 pm

yes to both if he stays healthy all year. - meaning he starts 31+ games.

by **curious_george_43545** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:02 pm

eftda wrote:yes to both if he stays healthy all year. - meaning he starts 31+ games.

Who do you put him in front of? I think Santana, Pedro (if healthy all year), Peavy, Oswalt, Sheets, Halladay, and Zambrano are better and possibly even Capenter and Willis.

by **StudentOfTheGame** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:07 pm

Harden put up alot better numbers than Sheets when he pitched last year....Personally, I like him better than Sheets and Pedro(will be effective, but not as dominant as years past) this season.

by **nuggets** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:11 pm

Sure he could finish top 5. The only guys I'd surely put above him are Santana, Pedro and Peavy.

by **Thursday** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:44 pm

I think people tend to forget how much this dude gets hurt. I hate when you project for a guy, and you have to say, IF he stays healthy. Harden hasn't done that, and i don't like him this year either.

by **Gimme_Fiction** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:44 pm

I have him behind Santana, Peavy, Pedro, Halladay, and Oswalt. So I guess my answer to your question is no lol.

by **rjforlife** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:30 pm

Thursday wrote:I think people tend to forget how much this dude gets hurt. I hate when you project for a guy, and you have to say, IF he stays healthy. Harden hasn't done that, and i don't like him this year either.

when did these frequent injuries occur? he was hurt last season, true, but he made 31 starts in 04 and came up in july of 03 and pitched a full august and september. this kid is 24 years old, and if you extrapolated his 05 numbers to a full healthy season (33 starts) , it comes out to:

17 Wins, 200 K, with a 2.53 era and 1.06 WHIP. while he wont put up exactly those numbers, i think he could realistically put up those 17 wins with 200 K and an era around 2.85 and 1.05 whip.....putting him easily into the top 5, and likely only behind santana and peavy, and very close to peavy at that.

by **RynMan** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:24 pm

nuggets wrote:Sure he could finish top 5. The only guys I'd surely put above him are Santana, Pedro and Peavy.

I agree. More so in a keeper.

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