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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:47 pm

I think Howard has shown more than Morneau did in the past. Im expecting a good season out of Howard and have him above Giambi in my rankings. It seems like Im always down on players with hype like Howard and more time than not I get burned...well not this year. I see the guy having a great year and major league career.
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Postby chris8 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:04 pm

I think Edwin Encarnacion deserves inclusion in the 3B tiers - round about 6 or 7.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:11 pm

chris8 wrote:I think Edwin Encarnacion deserves inclusion in the 3B tiers - round about 6 or 7.


I agree but Id say low tier 7 or tier 8.
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Postby Zito is God » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:19 pm

I have a couple of problems with this:

I honestly think its maddening that ortiz is still not considered a tier 1 player. He HAS all the tools, I see him putting up better numbers then Pujols because of the aging STL lineup this season...

Prince Fielder and Chad Tracy in the same tier? Kidding right? Tracy had a fantastic year, prince is ASSUMED to have a fantastic year. I remember when Ryan Leaf was a tier 3 QB, then what happened? You can't base tiers on rpediction with no major league experience, I don't see this valid.

As far as third baseman go I NEED to see Hillenbrandt higher on everyone's list. The guy has you covered in bategories across the board, as well as playing in a better lineup this year then last. I see him as a guy who will surprise this year and will jump at least a couple of tiers come 2007.
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Postby Halo Homers » Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:56 pm

I agree with a lot of what Acid Rock said.

D Lee is a back end tier 1 guy. The batting average was a fluke, but the HRs were not. I project .295-95-42-115-15.

I think Giambi should be tier 3 right behind Berkman. Giambi had on OPs post all star of 1.067 with 22HRs. Tempting to put him into the second tier.

I also think Chad Tracy should be moved up to the top of tier four. He in 508 ABs he went .308-72-27-73. He's a full time starter this year.

I think Howard is properly placed in tier 4. Until he can prove he hit LHP. He could end up in a platoon, and Charlie Manuel seems more than willing to use them, a la Chase Utley 2005

I have not seen a projection that shows Fielder with less than 30 HR. I think that also puts him in tier 4.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:20 pm

I should have qualified any remarks re Prince Fielder by explaining my suspicions that the Brewers are the sleeper team this year! :-)

That being said, I'd better read up on Chad Tracy some more to see if he's warranted. Really, I'm aiming at a few 3B early so I don't think I'll be in the market. Which, of course, means someone else will take *MY* 3B and I'll end up w/ Tracy, so I'd better get used to him.... 8-o


Also, I did not by any means mean to imply that the tiers or anything anyone really has posted are 'wrong' just that I find broader tiers more useful for drafting and sorting through players. All this stuff is largely guesses at this point anyway. I think that where you get stuff is from arguing back and forth about it. IT is doubly frustrating, of course, because all of my friends IRL that I might discuss these issues with are in the league so, obviously, we are ONLY talking about college hoops until the draft! hee hee...
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:09 pm

I'm much lower on D. Lee than most people are. I don't think I can be convinced that he'll repeat his monster season. I still see a great season (upper 30 HR, 110 RBI, 10-15 SB, possible .300 AVG) but not enough to place him with Pujols and Teixiera.

I guess you could make a case for Ortiz being in tier 1 but I can't see how he puts up the same numbers as last year. I believe last year was his career year and losing Damon won't help matters. Still a great option, but I can see both Teixiera and Pujols improving upon last year, while I cannot see that from Ortiz.

I've been toying with the idea of moving Giambi up near or ahead of Sexson. I think he has the ability to hang in that tier, I'm just a little more nervous about him than I would be about others in that class.

Thanks for the insight guys, keep it coming.
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Postby Halo Homers » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:13 pm

Your welcome, your lists are great. Really reflect the thinking in the cafe, which is second to none.
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Postby Ender » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:20 pm

If Teix is tier 1 than I think Ortiz is as well, they will put up nearly identical numbers most likely. While I think Ortiz will start to regress some there is no gaurentee that Teix is going to 720 PA's again which is just an insane amount. I would draft Teix over Ortiz on upside but I can't say that one is clearly a large step better than the other.

Konerko and Delgado aren't even the best hitters in tier 3, so they are fine right where they are.

Putting Arod in a tier by himself is pointless, everyone knows he's a #1 or #2 pick, just stick Wright and Cabrera in tier 1 and save yourself a tier.

I don't really see Ensberg being a full tier over Blalock. If you look at the 2 year averages Blalock is better, if you look at the 3 year average Blalock is better. Blalock is younger by 5 years and he's in a better lineup.
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Postby sockeye » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:38 pm

In a 5x5, I'd drop Boone and Youkilis down to the next group - seems a better home for them than with.

I'd also think about eliminating Tier 4 - Ensberg goes down, Rolen and Figgins go up. Most of the mock drafts and my own league draft would support this......
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