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Postby angelfan114 » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:48 pm

what player do you think has a better year this year and career
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:33 pm

Are we talking about Edwin Encarnacion? I don't know much about either guy but am keen to hear other's thoughts also. Edwin is in a great hitters park and I'm keen to see what he does this year. Do you think .275, 25 HR, 80RBI, 10 SB is a stretch?
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Postby angelfan114 » Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:58 pm

i was thinking a little lower but if he comes close to that I will be very happy. :-D
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:04 pm

Id be surprised if Edwin hits .260+. I really htink Granderson is under-rated this year. I see the guy as a sleeper who has potential to be a quality #3 OF in larger leagues. Think:

.283 19HR 75RBi 75R 20SB
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:08 pm

Cleveland Steamers wrote:Id be surprised if Edwin hits .260+. I really htink Granderson is under-rated this year. I see the guy as a sleeper who has potential to be a quality #3 OF in larger leagues. Think:

.283 19HR 75RBi 75R 20SB


That stat line says Coco Crisp to me. Comparible?
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Postby hybrid » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:14 pm

Cleveland Steamers wrote:Id be surprised if Edwin hits .260+. I really htink Granderson is under-rated this year. I see the guy as a sleeper who has potential to be a quality #3 OF in larger leagues. Think:

.283 19HR 75RBi 75R 20SB


I think that is underrating Encarnacion and overrating Granderson. Encarnacion has better plate discipline and hit for a better avg. last year while both were in AAA, not to mention Encarnacion was 2 years younger.

.270-.275 15HR 60RBI 70R 13SB is much more of a reasonable expectation to me. Encarnacion might put up a similiar stats, just add more power/less speed and switch around the r/rbi stats.
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Postby mcqfesijiba » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:31 pm

I don't really know much about Encarnacion (assuming it is Edwin and not an old Tigers "favorite" Juan Encarnacion, but I can definitely see Granderson hitting around 20 HRs this year and I'm projecting him hitting anywhere from 18-22 HRs. For the reputation Comerica has as a pitcher's park, it actually isn't so bad for left handed batters compared to how ridiculous the power alleys are for right handers. It's the batting average and OBP that are a little worrisome with him. He did strike out over 170 times last year between AAA and the majors with a walk total that wasn't all that impressive. As far as steals go, he has the speed and ability to steal 20+, but it all depends on how often they send him. For some mysterious reason, he was only given 2 SB attempts last year as a Tiger after a pretty good year stealing bases at Toledo. I also am assuming he will be hitting either 8th or 9th in the lineup as well, so his run scoring and RBI opportunities may be limited as well.

He has some real good power/speed combination potential in the future, although if he doesn't improve his plate discipline, he may be seeing some problems keeping his batting average up.
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Postby hybrid » Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:44 pm

For the most part his average and power were pretty flukey last year. In AAA his BABIP was up around .380, so he was very lucky to even hit .290 with plate discipline he showed. Then he goes and hits 8 HR's in just 162 AB's, from a hitter who shows more avg/gap power. To many flags come up for me, in saying he can hit for avg/power this year.

As for him not running much, it's because he isn't very fast. He is basically an average runner that needs to get good jumps to steal bases. Though I've heard a few contradictions saying he is possibly better then that now. I watched him some with the Tigers, he seemed to have some speed but not to much personally ... but I'd need to watch more to say accurately.
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Postby 05worldserieschamps » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:12 pm

I take Encarnacion. I think he is the next big thing. Plus he will have alot of Playing Time on a bad team. This year, Ill give him .275, 15, 80, 15. Ganderson is also good, but people on this board are overrating him a little.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:42 pm

Two players, which is Granderson? Guess the other player who had one of these stat lines at AAA in 2004.

.288 8HR 51RBI 75R 16SB 10CS 423AB
.290 15HR 65RBI 79R 22SB 6CS 445AB
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