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Postby Iconoclastic » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:31 pm

Eric Gagne has the best stuff of all time from a closer.
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Grady Sizemore will have more value than Jason Bay regardless of draft position

Aramis Ramirez in 155 G will hit over .300 40 HR 110 RBIs

Brian McCann will have more value than Jorge Posada regardless of draft position
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Postby thedude » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:52 pm

A couple guys come to mind:

Walter Johnson
Carl Hubbel
Koufax
Pedro

And there was this kid in the minors who had this fastball that everyone who saw him considered to be the fastest ever. His name escapes me...
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Postby moose32 » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:53 pm

1984-86 Doc Gooden
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Postby J_Cuz » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:22 pm

Pochucker wrote: One pitcher who had Koufax stuff but wasted his career was Gooden.
As far as player being better today -- whens last time you saw pitcher pitch 300+ innings ?


Lefty Carlton 1980.

24 wins 304IP 286K 2.34 ERA 1.10WHIP
won World Series

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Postby chadlincoln » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:47 pm

Nobody will ever come close to Cy Young's win record of 512. You could win 20 games a year for 20 years and still be over 100 wins short. Different time and era for him, and doesn't mean he had the best stuff, but he set an amazing record.
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Postby savvy_stu » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:08 pm

chadlincoln wrote:Nobody will ever come close to Cy Young's win record of 512. You could win 20 games a year for 20 years and still be over 100 wins short. Different time and era for him, and doesn't mean he had the best stuff, but he set an amazing record.


Nor will anyone ever touch his loss record.
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Postby Tavish » Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:57 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Pedro or Ryan. Ryan was the toughest guy to hit BA wise. Pedro is 3rd. Pedro is 3rd in whip, 1st in era+.


Ryan was tough to hit because he didn't through many pitches in the strikezone. :-b

Koufax was the best period. He did it with two pitches only, fastball and unbelievable curve. Scoring a run against him was major achievement, two runs was a bad day for him and three runs meant he was rocked!


Scoring two runs against any ace pitcher was a bad day in the 60s. A 3.00 ERA out of your ace during that time meant your staff was in trouble.
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Postby Simulacrum » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:14 pm

savvy_stu wrote:I think I read a story about Randy Johnson in Sports Illustrated many years ago that mentioned a game in which RJ's slider was really working. According to this story, after setting a lefty hitter up with one of his usual scorching fastballs, he then delivered his slider. The batter, thinking that this 90 mph pitch was coming straight at his head, dove out of the way. The slider then broke in for a called strike.

I never saw Koufax pitch, but I think we all can agree that that story is a strong example of the nastiness of RJ's slider.


I haven't been following baseball as long as I gather that you guys have, but I'll never forget watching Randy throw his perfect game against the Braves in 2004. I watched it from beginning to end and I'll never forget the way he whiffed Johnny Estrada to end the game. So awesome.
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Postby Tavish » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:17 pm

_Simulacrum_ wrote:I haven't been following baseball as long as I gather that you guys have, but I'll never forget watching Randy throw his perfect game against the Braves in 2004. I watched it from beginning to end and I'll never forget the way he whiffed Johnny Estrada to end the game. So awesome.


Almost as awesome as Randy telling PETA to "go to hell".
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Postby Simulacrum » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:21 pm

That was another classic Randy moment. B-)
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