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Which is the better combo-Pujols/Peavy or Tex/Santana?

Pujols/Peavy
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Tex/Santana
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45%
Tossup, let me flip a coin and be done with it.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:23 am

Pujols is great, but the difference between him and Tex is a lot smaller than Santana and Peavy right now.
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Postby Yoda » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:34 am

Wow... I'd take Pujols/Peavy without even thinking about it.
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Postby DCNats » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:49 am

It's tough, but I'd take Pujols/Peavy. IMO, some are overestimating the difference between Santana and Peavy.
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Postby WittyC » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:09 am

First off, the Hamster must not be hungry tonight.

Second, this is about as close to a push as you can get.

I give a slight edge to the Santana/Teix due to the fact that I really don't like Big Gay Al's supporting cast this year. Spivey has had one good (see: fluke) season, and the only reason STL needed a new stadium was to contain the giant question marks floating over Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds.

You also have the injury concern with Peavy. It's not a huge concern, but it's there, and it should be factored into his value.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:11 am

DCNats wrote:It's tough, but I'd take Pujols/Peavy. IMO, some are overestimating the difference between Santana and Peavy.
It's really not that close...

Peavy
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/peavyja01.shtml

Santana
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santajo02.shtml

I just think it's easier to get the difference in run runs and avg than it is to get the difference in ratios, IP, and ks. That's why I feel like I have to go with Santana and Tex.
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:11 am

so0perspam wrote:I'd go Teixeira/Santana here. ;-D

Pujols > Teixeira
Peavy << Santana


Agreed...Pujols protection is dropping which makes his BB rise in the coming years. While Pujols is better than Teixera, I think Teixeira's stock will continually rise while Pujol's will stay near the same or drop due to the aging lineup around him. If Rolen and Edmonds stay healthy, he should be fine this year, but I think he becomes a BB machine in the next couple of years.
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Postby Laean » Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:36 am

pujols and peavy for 2 reasons.

1. tex's splits are insane home/away. he's actually quite average away. in roto that doesn't matter, but in h2h leagues i would think a .270 avg with 26 homer (in 333 at bats x 2) half the time matters some. on the other hand, both pujols and peavy's splits are consistent as they come. you'd think peavy would be taking advantage of the home field as well at petco, but he's just as good on the road.

2. you actually can possibly draft pujols and peavy. on the other hand, both tex are santana will most likely go in the first round, meaning you'll get only one and not the other.
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Postby moose32 » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:19 pm

Santana is just way btter then any other pitcher
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Postby thrash » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:48 pm

Laean wrote:pujols and peavy for 2 reasons.

2. you actually can possibly draft pujols and peavy. on the other hand, both tex are santana will most likely go in the first round, meaning you'll get only one and not the other.


Wouldn't your second reason be an advantage towards the Tex/Santana side? I know i'd sure rather have two first rounders than a first and second just on principle. Ussually the two firsts have more value overall and more value to trade away.
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:15 pm

Talk is cheap. Show me some numbers.

Last season, the Santana/Teixiera combination was a better selection by less than a dollar.

The difference between Santana and Peavy is really that large? Really?

The difference in their ERAs was .01, as was the difference in the DIPS ERA, an indication that the two pitched very similarly on the field. Santana's WHIP was .07 better than Peavy's, the only considerable difference in the two, but Peavy drove down his WHIP last season by over .15. If you don't think that will continue to lower in a 24 year old you're mistaken. Peavy actually struck out more batters per inning than Santana did last season.

You can say Santana pitched more innings, therefore his ratios help more, but Peavy was hurt for three starts last season, with a few flukish injuries (shagging fly balls in BP, the flu).

I call Peavy and Santana a wash for the upcoming season.

Pujols is a considerable upgrade over Teix. The stolen bases and batting average are greatly in his favor and now with Rolen returning to the lineup, and a bounceback year from Edmonds, I see Pujols adding to his RBI and run total this season.

Pujols/Peavy for me. ;-D
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