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Postby Xtreemes » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:07 pm

I would take Bay first. And then in that situation I would have Wright and Cabrera tied. I would pick Wright just because I'm a Mets fan and I'd rather root for him than Cabrera :-b, but I think their value is the same. So I would go:

Bay
Wright/Cabrera
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Postby RugbyD » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:20 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:What would your top 12 be with OPS? Losses are the 6th pitching category. Mine right now looks pretty similar to what it was before I knew we were incorporating OPS.

1. Rodriguez
2. Pujols
3. Teixiera
4. Guerrero
5. Ramirez
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. Abreu
9. Cabrera
10. Bay
11. Young
12. Wright

What would you say?

Mine, bats only since Santana can go wherever:
Albert Pujols
Alex Rodriguez
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Vladimir Guerrero
Derrek Lee
Todd Helton
Gary Sheffield
Bobby Abreu
Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Michael Young
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:23 pm

Jason Bay, and then depending on if you have a problem clogging your utility, Hafner. Otherwise I would probably go David Wright.
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Postby RynMan » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:25 pm

RugbyD wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:What would your top 12 be with OPS? Losses are the 6th pitching category. Mine right now looks pretty similar to what it was before I knew we were incorporating OPS.

1. Rodriguez
2. Pujols
3. Teixiera
4. Guerrero
5. Ramirez
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. Abreu
9. Cabrera
10. Bay
11. Young
12. Wright

What would you say?

Mine, bats only since Santana can go wherever:
Albert Pujols
Alex Rodriguez
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Vladimir Guerrero
Derrek Lee
Todd Helton
Gary Sheffield
Bobby Abreu
Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Michael Young


You do know that Hafner had an OPS of 1.003 in 2005 right? Or did you leave him out because he is only a UTIL?
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Postby TheRock » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:37 pm

Kinda surprised Rototimes doesn't include OPS in their value generator here. But I put in runs, HR, SB, RBI, OBP, and SLG and got this list. Should be pretty close to AVG + OPS. Give you a good idea anyway.

1B Albert Pujols StL 573 42 121 13 130 .4448 .6353 12.93 $51.81
3B Alex Rodriguez NYY 608 47 132 21 123 .3905 .5888 10.79 $45.27
OF Barry Bonds SF 350 37 85 3 102 .5210 .7000 10.57 $44.58
DH David Ortiz Bos 579 44 135 0 109 .4035 .6010 9.09 $40.04
OF Jason Bay Pit 590 33 101 27 108 .4093 .5678 8.89 $39.43
1B Derrek Lee ChC 585 40 113 14 106 .3961 .5915 8.75 $38.99
OF Manny Ramirez Bos 555 42 132 1 110 .4022 .6036 8.71 $38.86
1B Mark Teixeira Tex 637 45 139 3 116 .3766 .5887 8.65 $38.68
OF Vladimir Guerrero LAA 562 35 118 15 106 .3926 .5783 7.75 $35.91
1B Todd Helton Col 538 28 89 2 102 .4484 .5836 7.38 $34.80
DH Travis Hafner Cle 514 37 119 1 99 .4040 .6051 7.35 $34.71
OF Bob Abreu Phi 579 25 101 28 106 .4092 .4957 5.99 $30.51
OF Lance Berkman Hou 531 31 103 5 96 .4163 .5499 5.84 $30.07
3B David Wright NYM 580 29 109 19 105 .3821 .5379 5.83 $30.02
3B Miguel Cabrera Fla 604 35 105 4 98 .3797 .5613 5.50 $29.02
OF Gary Sheffield NYY 572 35 121 9 107 .3744 .5262 5.17 $27.99
OF Adam Dunn Cin 552 41 98 6 104 .3765 .5344 5.04 $27.62
1B Richie Sexson Sea 553 38 116 1 97 .3678 .5407 4.44 $25.75
OF Carl Crawford TB 641 17 80 53 109 .3427 .4945 4.30 $25.35
OF Jim Edmonds StL 470 32 91 5 87 .3918 .5596 4.27 $25.26
2B Chase Utley Phi 577 30 104 16 90 .3652 .5286 4.17 $24.93
1B Paul Konerko CWS 573 40 105 0 95 .3652 .5340 3.96 $24.29
1B Carlos Delgado NYM 520 32 113 0 90 .3773 .5423 3.80 $23.80
1B Jim Thome CWS 495 35 102 0 90 .3890 .5253 3.67 $23.39
OF Andruw Jones Atl 575 40 110 5 88 .3396 .5357 3.41 $22.60
SS Miguel Tejada Bal 645 31 110 5 97 .3512 .5271 3.22 $22.04
OF Brian Giles SD 560 18 87 12 94 .4111 .4875 3.02 $21.42
3B Chipper Jones Atl 464 26 91 4 83 .4026 .5237 2.98 $21.29
3B Aramis Ramirez ChC 555 33 104 0 91 .3539 .5423 2.97 $21.25
OF Hideki Matsui NYY 612 26 111 2 103 .3772 .5033 2.92 $21.10
OF Carlos Beltran NYM 590 26 97 31 104 .3425 .4780 2.91 $21.08
SS Michael Young Tex 656 25 89 6 111 .3681 .5076 2.70 $20.42
1B Ryan Howard Phi 545 36 106 0 86 .3422 .5413 2.66 $20.32
3B Morgan Ensberg Hou 546 31 96 7 84 .3651 .5128 2.54 $19.94
OF Carlos Lee Mil 597 31 106 12 90 .3405 .5025 2.24 $19.00
OF Grady Sizemore Cle 620 23 82 19 113 .3487 .4903 2.10 $18.59
3B Chad Tracy Ari 537 30 86 2 81 .3472 .5475 2.00 $18.28
OF Matt Holliday Col 544 22 89 16 82 .3565 .5092 1.88 $17.91
3B Troy Glaus Tor 520 34 93 5 83 .3523 .5058 1.81 $17.70
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Postby RugbyD » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:38 pm

RynMan wrote:
RugbyD wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:What would your top 12 be with OPS? Losses are the 6th pitching category. Mine right now looks pretty similar to what it was before I knew we were incorporating OPS.

1. Rodriguez
2. Pujols
3. Teixiera
4. Guerrero
5. Ramirez
6. Ortiz
7. Santana
8. Abreu
9. Cabrera
10. Bay
11. Young
12. Wright

What would you say?

Mine, bats only since Santana can go wherever:
Albert Pujols
Alex Rodriguez
Manny Ramirez
David Ortiz
Vladimir Guerrero
Derrek Lee
Todd Helton
Gary Sheffield
Bobby Abreu
Mark Teixeira
David Wright
Michael Young


You do know that Hafner had an OPS of 1.003 in 2005 right? Or did you leave him out because he is only a UTIL?

Looks like its the 145 GP and 2 SBs that keep him out. I've been considering adding 5-10 GP now that he might get a crack at 1B in interleague play here and there. my top 12 averages 11 SBs.
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Postby TheRock » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:40 pm

This one has it. RotoSpin
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