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Postby thinkspin » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:10 pm

sorgi2evans wrote:IP (1), W (10), L (-5), CG (5), SHO (10), SV (10), H (-1), R (-1), ER (-1), BB (-1), HBP (-1), K (1), WP (-1), BLK (-1)


These settings do favor RP heavily.

yellowdog, I could use some help with PMP / IP here. Do you compare SPs to SPs and RPs to RPs or just Ps to Ps?

It seems that doing it by position is wrong and it should just be all pitchers...
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Postby sorgi2evans » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:22 pm

for excel, is there someway where I can like highlight a column and have it average all the numbers in it?
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Postby sorgi2evans » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:20 pm

wow, looks like my five PIMPest players are Rivera, K-Rod, Nathan, Lidge, and Wagner 8-o
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Postby yellowdog » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:20 pm

thinkspin wrote:
sorgi2evans wrote:IP (1), W (10), L (-5), CG (5), SHO (10), SV (10), H (-1), R (-1), ER (-1), BB (-1), HBP (-1), K (1), WP (-1), BLK (-1)


These settings do favor RP heavily.

yellowdog, I could use some help with PMP / IP here. Do you compare SPs to SPs and RPs to RPs or just Ps to Ps?

It seems that doing it by position is wrong and it should just be all pitchers...


Since his league requires 2 SP, 2 RP, and 3 P I think I would separate the two categories. For SP, I would only figure the projected points for the top 16. And I would assume you'd want RP for the remaining 5 spots, so figure PiMP for the top 40 RP. Once you figure the PiMP, you can compare SP to RP. I'll figure this tomorrow and post the results I come up with.
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Postby yellowdog » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:22 pm

sorgi2evans wrote:for excel, is there someway where I can like highlight a column and have it average all the numbers in it?


Yes. For column A =SUM(A1:A300)/300
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Postby yellowdog » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:29 pm

sorgi2evans wrote:wow, looks like my five PIMPest players are Rivera, K-Rod, Nathan, Lidge, and Wagner 8-o


Question for you sorgi, Do you have a max innings limit? Can you reach that max using only 2 SP? Do you have daily transactions OR weekly.
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Postby sorgi2evans » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:35 pm

heres the settings: Max Teams: 8

Scoring Type: Points Only

Player Universe: All baseball

Max Moves: No maximum

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Reject Time: 2

Trade End Date: August 13, 2006

Waiver Time: 2 days

Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports

Trade Review: League Votes

Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules

Max Games Played: 162

Max Innings Pitched: 1250

Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow

Start Scoring on: Sunday, Apr 2

Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL

Stat Categories: R, 1B, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SH, SB, CS, BB, HBP, K, IP, W, L, CG, SHO, SV, H, R, ER, BB, HBP, K, WP, BLK

Stat Modifiers: R (1), 1B (1), 2B (2), 3B (3), HR (4), RBI (1), SH (1), SB (1), CS (-1), BB (1), HBP (1), K (-1), IP (1), W (10), L (-5), CG (5), SHO (10), SV (10), H (-1), R (-1), ER (-1), BB (-1), HBP (-1), K (1), WP (-1), BLK (-1)
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Postby thinkspin » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:36 pm

yellowdog wrote:Since his league requires 2 SP, 2 RP, and 3 P I think I would separate the two categories. For SP, I would only figure the projected points for the top 16. And I would assume you'd want RP for the remaining 5 spots, so figure PiMP for the top 40 RP. Once you figure the PiMP, you can compare SP to RP. I'll figure this tomorrow and post the results I come up with.


This is the problem. PiMP is by position, so RPs with a PiMP / IP of say 0.6 and SPs with a PiMP / IP of 0.6 have different total scores.

As an example, Santana (316 total) is the top SP and he has a PiMP / IP of 0.6. Jenks (406 total) is also 0.6 but he is the 13th rank RP. Since RPs way outscore SPs in this format, how is this possibly useful?

Since yellodog might be gone til tomorrah, can anyone add anything to this method. Is this just a bad example because all the Pitchers should be considered the same position?
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Postby yellowdog » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:09 am

thinkspin wrote:
yellowdog wrote:Since his league requires 2 SP, 2 RP, and 3 P I think I would separate the two categories. For SP, I would only figure the projected points for the top 16. And I would assume you'd want RP for the remaining 5 spots, so figure PiMP for the top 40 RP. Once you figure the PiMP, you can compare SP to RP. I'll figure this tomorrow and post the results I come up with.


This is the problem. PiMP is by position, so RPs with a PiMP / IP of say 0.6 and SPs with a PiMP / IP of 0.6 have different total scores.

As an example, Santana (316 total) is the top SP and he has a PiMP / IP of 0.6. Jenks (406 total) is also 0.6 but he is the 13th rank RP. Since RPs way outscore SPs in this format, how is this possibly useful?

Since yellodog might be gone til tomorrah, can anyone add anything to this method. Is this just a bad example because all the Pitchers should be considered the same position?


The way I do it, PiMP is figured by position, but applied to overall. It's my way of accounting for position scarcity, I suppose. I'll work on my pitcher list now and post it in a few minutes.
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Postby yellowdog » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:41 am

With an innings limit of 1250, you will need to draft more than 2 starters to maximmize your point potential. I figured PiMP by factoring 4 SP and 5 RP per team. Here is a list of the top 72 draftable pitchers.
*sorry again for the formatting.

NAME POS PiMP NAME POS PiMP
1 Nathan RP 187.27 37 Clemens SP 6.20
2 Rivera RP 177.93 38 Foulke RP -0.48
3 Rodriguez RP 169.03 39 Capellan SP -3.25
4 Turnbow RP 161.00 40 Schilling SP -7.27
5 Hoffman RP 151.32 41 Jenks RP -9.41
6 Gagne RP 149.52 42 Jones RP -13.55
7 Wagner RP 147.50 43 Patterson SP -15.33
8 Santana SP 142.86 44 Myers SP -18.09
9 Isringhausen RP 142.37 45 Smoltz SP -18.71
10 Lidge RP 139.83 46 Wood SP -21.55
11 Valverde RP 139.18 47 MacDougal RP -22.16
12 Cordero RP 129.71 48 Benoit SP -27.11
13 Ryan RP 121.93 49 Burnett SP -28.40
14 Benitez RP 111.31 50 Beckett SP -28.73
15 Wickman RP 107.79 51 Borowski RP -30.27
16 Street RP 104.87 52 Reyes SP -35.03
17 Gonzalez RP 94.94 53 Haren SP -36.47
18 Cordero RP 94.80 54 Lackey SP -36.85
19 Martinez SP 88.67 55 Pettitte SP -38.62
20 Guardado RP 87.37 56 Kennedy SP -45.83
21 Peavy SP 72.33 57 Mussina SP -48.31
22 Prior SP 59.99 58 McCarthy SP -50.87
23 Gordon RP 54.06 59 Heilman SP -51.32
24 Hernandez SP 52.31 60 Orvella RP -56.84
25 Carpenter SP 50.87 61 Reitsma RP -133.25
26 Dempster RP 48.04 62 Weathers RP -134.64
27 Halladay SP 42.16 63 Soriano RP -168.88
28 Sheets SP 37.86 64 Medders RP -207.60
29 Ray RP 36.06 65 Bowyer RP -210.84
30 Oswalt SP 34.87 66 Farnsworth RP -222.62
31 Johnson SP 32.01 67 Betancourt RP -225.49
32 Harden SP 29.26 68 Baez RP -243.35
33 Fuentes RP 21.51 69 Cabrera RP -252.44
34 Schmidt SP 19.94 70 Timlin RP -254.05
35 Liriano SP 8.36 71 Linebrink RP -269.09
36 Zambrano SP 7.46 72 Shields RP -295.38
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