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Postby Yoda » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:56 am

Sheets did not have a torn labrum. That is a lot more serious than a torn lat muscle. In any case, I have not heard anything yet that says he won't be back 100% Any pitcher can get injured at any time. It's sort of unfair to use injury as an excuse since he made 34, 34, 34 and 22 starts in last 4 years no?
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Postby klvrdude » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:07 pm

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Yoda wrote:I'm not sure what injury issues you are talking about other than his freakish viral ear infection and his shoulder tightening up at the end of 05.


Some others have touched on it, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismis his inner ear problems.

He was diagnosed with vestibular neuritis in '94 and missed a week. Less then 5% of people who get it vestibular neuritis have a repeat, so the fact that he had another spell last year ('95) is not a good sign.

For those medical minded here a link providing more detailed information:
[url]http://www.tchain.com/otoneurology/diso ... eurit.html
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Postby wkelly91 » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:53 pm

Mocks- 24,26,27,28,45,51

If your counting on him in the third round, you may be left wanting :~(
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Postby JakeTrain72 » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:46 pm

Ender wrote:I love sheets but with his injury issues and the fact he's only had one amazing year I don't see him going until 3rd round in most drafts. If he's around in round 4 you gotta grab him instantly. Also in a keeper league I'd move him up to round 2 since he's still young and the Brewers are going to have a strong offense the next 4-5 years.


Indeed. Pedro, Oswalt, Halladay are injury or pitch count concerns as well. Sheets is a stud for fantasy and his team is getting better behind him. in keeper leagues go out and get him in the second. Redraft leagues, mid third wouldnt be a stretch but 4th round is where I'd like to find him for max value. Not every owner will like him that high, if he's there in the 4th you gotta take him and put a feather in your cap.

But if he is gone in the third, dont be surprised.
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Postby brandnew » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:33 pm

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brandnew wrote:IMO it goes

Santana, Peavy, Pedro, Sheets, Halladay, Harden, Oswalt, Prior

To answer your question, 2nd Round at the earliest, 3rd at the latest.


Nice order Brandnew. I might move Prior up 2 spots, but nice list.

Sheets will never make it till the 4th round, and if he does, wake up your league.


Thanks. Prior's screwed me over 2 years in a row, so I'm hesitant to put him ahead of Mr. Consistency Oswalt. But at the same time, I think Oswalt is vaaaastly overrated. I like Harden's chances of staying healthy over Prior, but when push comes to shove I'd probably take Prior over him.
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Postby Copperheads » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:38 am

I like Sheets as well going into this year but his projected wins seem low at 13 which has to hurt is value in roto leagues. I am in the process on compiling stats from numerous sources (right now up to 6) and his projected stats look like:

Wins - 13
K's - 193
ERA - 3.18
WHIP - 1.07
Games - 30

Secondary Numbers:
IP - 203
ER - 70
Hits - 185
BB - 33

Do these look right to everyone?
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Postby Ender » Thu Feb 09, 2006 11:42 am

Copperheads wrote:I like Sheets as well going into this year but his projected wins seem low at 13 which has to hurt is value in roto leagues. I am in the process on compiling stats from numerous sources (right now up to 6) and his projected stats look like:

Wins - 13
K's - 193
ERA - 3.18
WHIP - 1.07
Games - 30

Secondary Numbers:
IP - 203
ER - 70
Hits - 185
BB - 33

Do these look right to everyone?


If he posts those stats I'd think he wins more than 13 games. The K's may be a little too conservative as well, if he's healthy he's a 1 K per IP guy or better. The Brewers offense is much stronger now than it was in 2003/2004 which is probably whats causing the low win projections.

They were 6th in the NL last year in runs scored and the offense is better this year than last most likely, Hardy has adjusted to the majors, Weeks is healthy, Fielder should offset Overbay and even in his poor year last year Koskie still hit righties well. The bench is much improved as well.
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Postby pat1999 » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:37 pm

Yoda wrote:
Sp_Da_Man wrote:Doesn't Sheets fall behind guys like Peavy, Oswalt, Halladay and maybe Carpenter as well as Santana & Pedro?

3rd round seems early to me. I was thinking more like late 4th-5th.


No. My SP ranking is: Santana, Pedro, Sheets, Peavy, Halladay, Oswalt, Prior, RJ, Harden, Zambrano... I don't have Carpenter on my top 10.



sheets in front of peavy, halladay and oswalt???? you might want to rethink that...
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Postby Coppermine » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:39 pm

1 Johan Santana
2 Chris Carpenter
3 Jake Peavy
4 Pedro Martinez
5 Roy Oswalt
6 Carlos Zambrano
7 Ben Sheets
8 Rich Harden
9 Felix Hernandez
10 Randy Johnson
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Postby Yoda » Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:45 pm

pat1999 wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Sp_Da_Man wrote:Doesn't Sheets fall behind guys like Peavy, Oswalt, Halladay and maybe Carpenter as well as Santana & Pedro?

3rd round seems early to me. I was thinking more like late 4th-5th.


No. My SP ranking is: Santana, Pedro, Sheets, Peavy, Halladay, Oswalt, Prior, RJ, Harden, Zambrano... I don't have Carpenter on my top 10.



sheets in front of peavy, halladay and oswalt???? you might want to rethink that...


Why? I might put Peavy in front of Sheets but that's about it.

Sheets has a better K rate than both Halladay and Oswalt. He is also younger and has the ability to pitch deeper into games. A healthy Sheets will outperform most SPs.
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