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Postby sLim » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:08 pm

cloverhurstdawg wrote:I'll second the Cain and Lowry nominations and will add some that will be undervalued, but aren't true 'sleepers'.

Lackey- high K rate and a very good offense behind him. 27

Doug Davis- another high K guy on an improving team with a good bullpen. Good health history too. 30

Bedard- Mazzone effect could be huge here. Some health issues though. 27

Webb- extreme groundball pitcher with good K rate. 27

These are 4 guys I'll be looking to snag. Davis is the old man and he's just 30. The other three could be on the verge of putting it all together. Davis will be the true steal of the group though. He is constantly overlooked.


cain isnt a sleeper in my book...and neither are any of these pitchers listed...all are established pitchers...
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Postby sLim » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:10 pm

haren and blanton both should have above avg years...
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Postby reiser » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:40 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Orioles103 wrote:millwood,capuano,bedard,chacin,contreras,j.vazquez,marquis,madson,ol.perez,od.perez,penny


Bedard/Madson/Penny

Millwood/Capuano/Vazquez/Odalis

Chacin/Contreras/Marquis/Oliver


why so down on Oliver GTW? Penny could be interesting, some serious health issues the past couple of years. Marquis essentially imploded after the break last year.
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Postby cloverhurstdawg » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:27 pm

sLim wrote:
cloverhurstdawg wrote:I'll second the Cain and Lowry nominations and will add some that will be undervalued, but aren't true 'sleepers'.

Lackey- high K rate and a very good offense behind him. 27

Doug Davis- another high K guy on an improving team with a good bullpen. Good health history too. 30

Bedard- Mazzone effect could be huge here. Some health issues though. 27

Webb- extreme groundball pitcher with good K rate. 27

These are 4 guys I'll be looking to snag. Davis is the old man and he's just 30. The other three could be on the verge of putting it all together. Davis will be the true steal of the group though. He is constantly overlooked.


cain isnt a sleeper in my book...and neither are any of these pitchers listed...all are established pitchers...


I guess that's where the first line of the post comes in, isn't it?
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Postby RynMan » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:35 am

klvrdude wrote:Along those lines, I'm going to give a big shout out to my man Noah Lowry. Both his k/9 and k:bb last year (7.58 and 2.26 respectively) were notable. Now going into his 3 season and after an amazing 2nd half (check his splits) I think you can get him relatively cheap....hence sleeper.


Absolutely. Lowry will be on a couple of my teams this year.

I also like:

Oliver Perez
Brett Myers (if he is a sleeper) :-?
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Postby SilentReader » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:39 am

1. contreras
2. j.vazquez
3. millwood
4. ol.perez
5. od.perez
6. bedard
7. penny
8. capuano
9. madson
10. chacin
11. marquis

this in regards to the guy asking about these pitchers. I still can't see why Contreras has been so underrated here.
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Postby Yoda » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:29 am

RynMan wrote:
klvrdude wrote:Along those lines, I'm going to give a big shout out to my man Noah Lowry. Both his k/9 and k:bb last year (7.58 and 2.26 respectively) were notable. Now going into his 3 season and after an amazing 2nd half (check his splits) I think you can get him relatively cheap....hence sleeper.


Absolutely. Lowry will be on a couple of my teams this year.

I also like:

Oliver Perez
Brett Myers (if he is a sleeper) :-?
Casey Fossum


I was actually looking at Myers last night. He still has a lot of room to improve and given his current trend, I think he will take another step forward.
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Postby liv4socr20 » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:32 pm

I like Chris Young at Petco. Don't expect a 20 game winner but he can flirt with the 15 win mark. His numbers were fairly consistent between road and home but figure the move from arlington to petco can lower anyones era by at least half a point. Try him somewhere in the middle teens
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Postby Dr. Octopus » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:50 pm

Aaron Harang has shown improvement each year and has developed into a high strikeout pitcher. Not sure if you can consider a team's No.1 starter a sleeper, but on a terrible staff like Cincinnati he gets overlooked.
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Postby RynMan » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:12 am

Yoda wrote:I was actually looking at Myers last night. He still has a lot of room to improve and given his current trend, I think he will take another step forward.


Absolutely. K/9 increasing, BB/9 decreasing. ;-D
I expect him to be alot better than most people are giving him credit for.
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