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Postby gforce1124 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:44 am

catcher is such a crappy position this year with many aging veterans and upcoming youngsters who probably wont be all that great yet. does anyone here know much about split stats for catchers that could be useful to platoon players? do any players have a large difference between their lefty/right splits? home/away splits? anything else that might be useful?
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Postby Havok1517 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:51 am

I'm kidding when I say this...but that Z guy in Toronto and his massive OBP% looks to be something fierce in 2006. HAHA jk :-)

Honestly, I hear there is catcher strategy that if you have enough time and regular access to the computer might work. U seperate leagues NL?AL catchers and draft a good AL east coast (time zone) C (Varitek, Posada, Hernandez, Lopez, etc) and wait until they announce pre-game rosters (usually an hour before the game). If they don't start you have time to positon your west coast into your starting lineup (Estrada for example). That is the jinst of it, a guy I know swares by it. It sounds interesting.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:05 am

C is bad...that said, if you are playing in a 1 C roster requirement, 10 or 12 team league, you can basically ignore the C position until the late teen round and grab a serviceable guy like Pierzynski or Barrett or Barajas, etc.

If you play in a 2 C league, then it is somewhat different as if 20-24 Cs are picked, it gets real, real ugly after about 11 -12 deep. You basically have to gamble on guys like McCann or Doumit or Johjima or go with a really pretty useless Kendall now.

Basic rule of thumb is to not get stuck with two Cs from the latter group and to just hope to luck on the second one, playing the wire as best you can.
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Postby luckygehrig » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:12 am

Scary, but I'm about to agree with Yanks04. I don't like any catchers early this year. I don't think I'd take one before the 10th round in a 12 team league. However, I also think that I might take a flier on a Johjima or McCann just because I really never expect too much production out of my C slot anyways. Hopefully these guys can be a nice surprise, but if not, I'm not going to be worrying too much about it.
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Postby gforce1124 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:30 am

Havok, that would certainly help in just filling the 162 game requirement, good suggestion. I was thinking that if I could find 2 catchers that are both horrible vs lefties, for instance, I could just play whichever one has the better matchup (checking first to see that they're playing a RHP, then going with whichever one is playing at the better ballpark or against the weaker pitcher). I figured that strategy could allow me to use 2 otherwise mediocre catchers but result in possibly the best catcher output at the end of the year. I'm just having trouble 2 catchers who fit that description, haha, any thoughts?
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:38 am

gforce1124 wrote:Havok, that would certainly help in just filling the 162 game requirement, good suggestion. I was thinking that if I could find 2 catchers that are both horrible vs lefties, for instance, I could just play whichever one has the better matchup (checking first to see that they're playing a RHP, then going with whichever one is playing at the better ballpark or against the weaker pitcher). I figured that strategy could allow me to use 2 otherwise mediocre catchers but result in possibly the best catcher output at the end of the year. I'm just having trouble 2 catchers who fit that description, haha, any thoughts?



In most leagues, burning a roster spot to have to carry a second C for platooning is an ENORMOUS waste unless you have real deep benches. It hurts more than helps. And if you really think that getting a handful of numbers out of a C slot of virtually no consequence is going to win you a league, you are probably kidding yourself. The difference gained by finding a better SP or closer or OF off the wire is far, far more important than squeezing 10 rbis and 10 runs out of some crummy C.
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Postby OhMrScottyTrav06 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:26 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
gforce1124 wrote:Havok, that would certainly help in just filling the 162 game requirement, good suggestion. I was thinking that if I could find 2 catchers that are both horrible vs lefties, for instance, I could just play whichever one has the better matchup (checking first to see that they're playing a RHP, then going with whichever one is playing at the better ballpark or against the weaker pitcher). I figured that strategy could allow me to use 2 otherwise mediocre catchers but result in possibly the best catcher output at the end of the year. I'm just having trouble 2 catchers who fit that description, haha, any thoughts?



In most leagues, burning a roster spot to have to carry a second C for platooning is an ENORMOUS waste unless you have real deep benches. It hurts more than helps. And if you really think that getting a handful of numbers out of a C slot of virtually no consequence is going to win you a league, you are probably kidding yourself. The difference gained by finding a better SP or closer or OF off the wire is far, far more important than squeezing 10 rbis and 10 runs out of some crummy C.


Exactly! Unless you have deep benches, the strategy hurts you. I'd much rather take a flier on an unstable closer than have two catchers when there's only one required spot.

But the strategy that Havok described would work well if bench sizes are 8-10. It's not that big of a deal then... It would make sense in both h2h and roto leagues. Might try that if I get the right opportunity.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:08 am

Damien Miller hits lefty/righty for the same BA, but over the last three years ahs 25 HRs versus righties (810 ABs) and just 2 (324 ABs) versus lefties.

Javier Valentin bats .270 with a .800 OPS versus righties. If Cincy settles into a regular platoon or you like checking lineups daily, he and Larue are pretty potent (compare their combined numbers last year to VMart).

Brian Schneider hits .260/.744 versus righties.

Other than that...not much.

I play in a league that uses holds, so I usually try to find a team that has a regular schedule, like Boston has. Then I could pick up Mirabella on Wakefield days lots of times, and drop one of my set-up guys.
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Postby nsulham » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:42 am

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I play in a league that uses holds, so I usually try to find a team that has a regular schedule, like Boston has. Then I could pick up Mirabella on Wakefield days lots of times, and drop one of my set-up guys.


Mirabelli's with the Pads now. I'm sure you already knew that, just making sure ;-D
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:31 pm

nsulham wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:I play in a league that uses holds, so I usually try to find a team that has a regular schedule, like Boston has. Then I could pick up Mirabella on Wakefield days lots of times, and drop one of my set-up guys.


Mirabelli's with the Pads now. I'm sure you already knew that, just making sure ;-D


Yeah, I know. We have ten keepers in my league, so I usually grab a catcher between round 11 and 15. The guy who has 'tek probably can't keep him without giving up a more valuable player. I may grab him or another guy at that point. Or, I may go the Larue/Valentin route. Could take a flyer on Willingham.
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