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Postby quietstorm » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:21 am

It's a Latin "rule." It's one of the very few word order rules in Latin, and somebody, at some point, decided Latin was better than English, so they ought to teach Latin rules as English rules.

However, it's perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a preposition in English. It's just a bit weak, unless it can't be avoided.

Which is why: "Guys on whom you believe the consensus may be/is wrong" is better. ;)
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Postby RynMan » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:44 am

Shadow of the Sun* wrote:Grady Sizemore. Way too much hype.


Haven't really looked into this alot, but I might just agree.
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Postby willy-t » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:32 am

I will not be drafting Grady, there'll be a new Grady emerging this year and he'll be available on the WW, rather than in the 6th round.
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Postby looptid » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:51 am

OhMrScottyTrav06 wrote:
TheMeXiKaN wrote: "Guys that you think the consensus might be wrong on."


Never end a sentence with a preposition. There is your grammar lesson for the day.

If you think an 11th grade English teacher knows anything about grammar, then sure, use that as a rule. In their flawed world view, grammar rules govern language. But that is backwards. The language comes first, then the rules.

Grammar rules really describe how a language works. If you can understand what someone is saying, then it has to be grammatically correct (if it didn't follow the real rules of grammar and syntax, you wouldn't understand the message).

Anyone that tries to tell you that an understandable communication is grammatically incorrect had better be using a written language that predated its spoken counterpart. Then their "rules" could govern the language, instead of describing how it functions. But last I checked, we weren't speaking or writing in binary here in the FBC.
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Postby BritSox » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:53 am

quietstorm wrote:It's a Latin "rule." It's one of the very few word order rules in Latin, and somebody, at some point, decided Latin was better than English, so they ought to teach Latin rules as English rules.

However, it's perfectly acceptable to end a sentence with a preposition in English. It's just a bit weak, unless it can't be avoided.

Which is why: "Guys on whom you believe the consensus may be/is wrong" is better. ;)


"Ending a sentence with a preposition- that is something up with which I will not put."

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But, uh, the fact that Bonds is going in rounds 3-8 in the mocks doesn't mean there's a consensus that he belongs there. It just means there's at least one guy in each league who's a believer. There might be four who have him on their 'avoid at all costs' list.
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Postby looptid » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:02 am

TheYanks04 wrote:
luckygehrig wrote:I don't if there's still such a huge consensus for Joe Mauer, but I've been hurt by him the last couple of years. Sure, he's been injured, but even when healthy, he hasn't hit to the supposed potential that he has.

Also, I disagree with Iconoclastic about Jason Bay. The guy's a beast and he doesn't even have anyone hitting around him in that lineup. The guy's gonna be huge for quite awhile and deservedly so. I definitely think he could be early second round value.


I agree with you on Mauer. Frankly, if not for the 10-12 SBs he brings to the table, he would be more or less in the same medicore caliber as most of the other top 12 ranked Cs not named VM. I understand there is upside, but his power is subpar even for a C. Basically avg and a little SB help.

For fantasy purposes, I agree, although Mauer is a player who's real life offensive value and fantasy value are pretty far apart.

2005 VORP
1. Victor Martinez - 60.3
2. Jason Varitek - 45.6
3. Joe Mauer - 40.9
4. Michael Barrett - 33.4
5. Jorge Posada - 32.6
6. Ben Molina - 28.9
7. Jason Larue - 27.4
8. Mike Piazza - 25.1
9. Ramon Hernandez - 25.0
10. Javy Lopez - 24.7
11. Ivan Rodriguez - 24.4
12. Javier Valentin - 23.7
13. Damian Miller - 21.9
14. Paul Lo Duca - 21.5
15. Rod Barajas - 21.1

Martinez was in a class by himself, but Mauer and Varitek made up a very small second tier. What is really scary, in a fantasy respect as it relates to whatever power the 6'4", 220 pound Mauer might develop, is his GB/FB ratio... career of 1.91. If things don't change, he is going to have to hit an unusually high percentage of his fly balls for homeruns to approach high homerun totals.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:01 pm

Yanks04

Here is a easy place to find numbers versus teams. Lee was 4th in run support. His record was a big fluke.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/702 ... obyk2FCLcF
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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:58 pm

HOOTIE wrote:Yanks04

Here is a easy place to find numbers versus teams. Lee was 4th in run support. His record was a big fluke.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/702 ... obyk2FCLcF



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Postby TheYanks04 » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:05 pm

OK, I bring another SP into discussion...Mr Bonderman.

Why is this guy being picked where he is (110-140 overall depending on the draft)?

What am I a missing?

I see 3 MLB years:
ERAs of 5.6, 4.9 and 4.6
Whips of 1.55, 1.31, 1.35
Kd9 dropped last season too from 8.2 in 04 to 6.9 in 05.

Why should we expect any tremendous improvement here that would make him worthy of picking over some of the established mid-tier pitchers?
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Postby daullaz » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:26 pm

Bondy is still a kid. He'll put it together eventually.
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