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Postby lavidalibre » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:05 pm

Not to pile on, but you also have Harden listed twice.
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Postby Thursday » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:07 pm

Um.... what?

Just press enter a few times, and that list would be better.

Sorry to add on so much.
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Postby daweasle » Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:24 am

those are all fine answers - my format sucked ok I am cool with that.

but I do have a few questions. How can you say harden is so high?
Schilling has been dominant in the past - which is alot more than I can say for harden. he's never had more than 11 wins(2 whole seasons to base it on.) and he's kept his ERA around 4.1, and whip around 1.4

is that the dominant pitcher we're all supposed to be drafting ahead of schill?

add to that schill claimed he is 100% YESTERDAY> (on boston radio)

Harden has said he's not sure if he will be ready for the start of reg season (much less spring training)
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Postby CHE » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:17 am

daweasle wrote:those are all fine answers - my format sucked ok I am cool with that.

but I do have a few questions. How can you say harden is so high?
Schilling has been dominant in the past - which is alot more than I can say for harden. he's never had more than 11 wins(2 whole seasons to base it on.) and he's kept his ERA around 4.1, and whip around 1.4

is that the dominant pitcher we're all supposed to be drafting ahead of schill?

add to that schill claimed he is 100% YESTERDAY> (on boston radio)

Harden has said he's not sure if he will be ready for the start of reg season (much less spring training)



Did you even look at Hardens stats??? ERA 2.53 last year, only knock on him is his health. I ll take a heathly Harden over almost every pitcher in the league.
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Postby Dr. Duran Duran » Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:39 am

Man, all that typing and this is the love you get? :-b ;-)
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Postby bleach168 » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:34 am

I don't see the point of ranking pitchers beyond the first 50-60. After that, it's just a crapshoot. Once the first 60 SP are off the board, just draft whoever you got a nice gut feeling about.
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Postby ukrneal » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:55 am

Thing is, you're putting Schilling over some really good pitchers in their own right who weren't getting rocked (Zambrano, for example). The risk of Shcilling's age and that he may never be quite the same reduce his value.

Harden may indeed be lower if his injury keeps him out. But he's not lower than Haren or Burnett just yet! And if you are going to say that Harden is unproven and should be lower, then by that logic you should also bump down Willis, Bedard, Hernandez, etc. PArt of looking at pitchers is trends. You expect a pitcher to improve as he matures until a certain age (Harden in that group), while older pitchers have to be watched for dropoffs and injuries (Schilling in that group). Frankly, I don't see that much of a difference between the career trajectories of Willis and Harden. Why should one be so much higher than the other, when really both have only had one successful full year under the belt. Wins and ERA are not really under the pitcher's control, and so are not the best measures.
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Postby daweasle » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:18 pm

ukrneal - those are all good points - and i guess technically thats why I posted this to get some inputs or learn something - so thanks for the advice....
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Postby Coppermine » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:40 pm

Well, I agree ranking beyond 50 becomes a little counterproductive at that point in the draft. That said, I have 175 starters ranked in a preliminary cheat sheet that still needs some work. Here's my top 90 thus far:

Johan Santana
Chris Carpenter
Jake Peavy
Pedro Martinez
Roy Oswalt
Carlos Zambrano
Ben Sheets
Rich Harden
Felix Hernandez
Randy Johnson
Roy Halladay
Andy Pettitte
John Patterson
Bartolo Colon
Mark Buehrle
Dontrelle Willis
John Smoltz
Jason Schmidt
Danny Haren
Zach Duke
Brett Myers
Mark Prior
John Lackey
Noah Lowry
Josh Beckett
Cliff Lee
A.J. Burnett
Doug Davis
Brandon Webb
Scott Kazmir
Chris Capuano
C.C. Sabathia
Freddy Garcia
Mark Mulder
Barry Zito
Matt Cain
Joe Blanton
Javier Vazquez
Chris Young
Jeff Weaver
Kelvim Escobar
Jon Garland
Curt Schilling
Kevin Millwood
Aaron Harang
Jeremy Bonderman
Jeff Suppan
Gustavo Chacin
Livan Hernandez
Erik Bedard
Matt Clement
Josh Towers
Jake Westbrook
Jon Lieber
Tim Hudson
Bruce Chen
Jose Contreres
Jason Marquis
Ryan Madson
Brad Radke
Derek Lowe
Esteban Loaiza
Bronson Arroyo
Matt Morris
Oliver Perez
Brad Penny
Adam Eaton
Kris Benson
Carl Pavano
Tim Wakefield
Francisco Liriano
Rodrigo Lopez
Greg Maddux
Paul Maholm
Jae Wong Seo
Odalis Perez
Mike Mussina
Carlos Silva
Kerry Wood
Jarrod Washburn
Ervin Santana
Paul Byrd
Kameron Loe
Tom Glavine
Brandon Claussen
Mike Maroth
Ted Lilly
Cory Lidle
Daniel Cabrera
John Thomson
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Postby moochie » Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:51 pm

Maybe some will think I'm overvaluing Prior but he's a better player than Brett Myers.
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