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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:48 pm

KOSTAS wrote:
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KOSTAS wrote:Let's see who Cleveland can send out there in the #4 and #5 spots this year. Marte won't help them til 2007.




I would bet Perralta, Hafner and V. Martinez might be in those spots.



um, I was talking about pitching spots :-)


Who will they have as their 4th and 5th starters if they keep Crisp? The same exact people. Trading Crisp has no effect on who the 4th/5th starters will be.

So what was the point?
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Postby KOSTAS » Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:51 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
KOSTAS wrote:
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KOSTAS wrote:Let's see who Cleveland can send out there in the #4 and #5 spots this year. Marte won't help them til 2007.




I would bet Perralta, Hafner and V. Martinez might be in those spots.



um, I was talking about pitching spots :-)


Who will they have as their 4th and 5th starters if they keep Crisp? The same exact people. Trading Crisp has no effect on who the 4th/5th starters will be.

So what was the point?


You missed the initial context of the post. Go back and do your homework before yapping.
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Postby djacks » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:10 am

SI.com has a story on it now...similar to the other stories...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/b ... index.html
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Postby Apollo » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:41 am

It just scrolled across ESPN's bottom line, so the sources are piling up now.

Also, Hoynes is a very good reporter, so that would have been enough for me.
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Postby J_Cuz » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:54 am

This has to be done, because they are already announcing Rhodes and Betancourt for Michaels on Philly radio.

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Postby The Cow » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:59 am

Tribe's SPs

1. Sabathia- solid

2. Lee- solid

3. Westbrook- solid

4. Byrd- less than solid

5. Jason Johnson- gulp!!! This was a bad signing

Tribe lost Millwood and Elarton and replaced them with Byrd and Johnson.

The Tribe does have some solid young pitchers to take over for Johnson when he sucks and Byrd when he gets hurt.

I have no idea what the Tribe's SPs has to do with Crisp, but there you go.
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Postby Wozzyck » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:19 am

Apollo wrote:It just scrolled across ESPN's bottom line, so the sources are piling up now.

Also, Hoynes is a very good reporter, so that would have been enough for me.


However, SI and ESPN are relying seemingly exclusively on the Boston Herald report, so the sources aren't really piling up. And the content of the Hoynes blog entry seems like a total hedge against its title. Undoubtedly, a Crisp/Marte deal was/is being discussed, but I would say that a lot of this is baseball reporters trying to dig up good copy with a deal that's yet to materialize.

J_Cuz wrote:This has to be done, because they are already announcing Rhodes and Betancourt for Michaels on Philly radio.


Again, I would bet that the guys at the radio station caught wind of this story like all of us have and are merely relaying what they've read (or misread, as the rumors have it being either one or the other or maybe Riske or maybe Mota...), without any new information.
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Postby looptid » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:13 am

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Ender wrote:Yeah I'm sure a mid market team who finally has a window open to become a player in the playoffs is going to trade away their young talented SS and a key OF for some prospects and a setup man coming off an injury riddled season. Gotta love the Red Sox/Yankee rumor mill where its assumed all smaller market teams are there just to feed them talent.


I think this is exactly what is going on. Wishful thinking by one of the hundreds of reporters out in Boston.

I'm jumping into this stuff a few days late, but I wanted to second the above. Some truly stupid stuff comes out of the mouths of Boston fans, talk radio hosts, and reporters. Peralta? Are you kidding me? The Torii Hunter for Bronson Arroyo deal had to be my favorite laughable rumor of the offseason.

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They've signed Tony Batista to play third base, they're so desperate for power, for crying out loud!

I'm trying to keep this a family show, so... What "fudging" universe does the above-referenced Boston contingent inhabit? Certainly not the one the rest of baseball does.

Cleveland would totally trade their young prospect shortstop who has already done well in the majors, in addition to one of their starting outfielders, for another prospect that is at least a year away from the show and a middle reliever with arm problems and a large contract. Because Mota is worth Crip straight up, and you'd definately want a third baseman with 24 major league games to his name over a shortstop who slugged .520 and hit 24 homeruns as a 23 year-old.

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Postby Yoda » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:06 pm

Red Sox get an above average player who can fill in and help them now. Indians continue to stock up their young team.

Coco IMO, at age 26 entering 2006, is pretty close to his peak based on his career numbers:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/ ... risp.shtml

So Boston gets a pretty decent proven CF to fill their holes. Based on what is available, that is not too bad.

But in the long run, I think Cleveland wins this one.
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Postby bucksox » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:04 pm

[quote="Yoda"]Red Sox get an above average player who can fill in and help them now. Indians continue to stock up their young team.

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well, that is what teams who try to stay in the hunt every year have to do from time to time. It is not the end of the world for the red sox. I like it for both teams, and the sox have a lot of prospects coming up.
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