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Postby The Jury » Sun Jun 22, 2003 4:53 pm

I've never used HOLDS in any of my leagues, but I'm thinking about bitching saves or doign something else about it as it's really a pathetic category.

In hockey, a game winning goal is still a goal and still counts as one.

So in baseball, is a game winning hold (which is called a save) still counted as a hold? It's still a hold, it's just the last one of the game.

Does a save count as a hold?
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Postby Kegglers » Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:25 pm

saves don't count as holds. a hold is when a pitcher comes in in a save situation but is not the pitcher who gets the final out. a save situation is where the tying run is on deck. this can be a 5 run lead and a guy comes in in the 8th inning with one out and none on. there will be 5 more batters coming to the plate so the potential tying run would be considered "on deck"
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Postby wrveres » Sun Jun 22, 2003 5:43 pm

You cannot have a save and a hold by the same player in one game .. But I do believe you can have a hold and win by one player in a game. But I know they can't have Hold/Save.
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Postby Madison » Mon Jun 23, 2003 1:50 am

wrveres wrote:You cannot have a save and a hold by the same player in one game .. But I do believe you can have a hold and win by one player in a game. But I know they can't have Hold/Save.


Yes, a pitcher can get a hold and a win in the same game. I remember seeing it in a box score at Mlb.com. Can't get a hold and a save.
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Postby Siege1386 » Mon Jun 23, 2003 2:03 am

Holds should be better defined or thrown out.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:49 am

Siege1386 wrote:Holds should be better defined or thrown out.


A Hold is a Save. You just can't have a hold to end a game, cus then its called a ...Save.
Actually they should get rid of the Save, and rate all relievers by holds. Including closers, they would just have alot more holds.
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Postby stratusfactionrt » Tue Jun 24, 2003 1:22 am

wrveres wrote:Actually they should get rid of the Save, and rate all relievers by holds. Including closers, they would just have alot more holds.


Agreed! Becuase of Yahoo rankings, many excellent RP's with tons of holds are rated so badly in my league, but since we count holds, they really are extremely valuable.
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Postby The Jury » Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:19 am

Definitely. Screw saves - holds is where it's at.
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