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shortsavage's top 25 first basemen

Postby shortsavage » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:31 pm

Notes: 1) I included Ortiz and Hafner in these rankings even though neither will start the season with 1B eligibility. 2) I'm still trying to figure out if the top 14 have such high dollar values because they will all be solid or if I inflated their values.

1. Pujols, Albert/A+/$43
2. Teixeira, Mark/A+/$40
3. Ortiz, David DH/A+/$38
4. Berkman, Lance/A/$36
5. Helton, Todd/A/$35
6. Lee, Derrek/A/$35
7. Dunn, Adam/A/$34
8. Sexson, Richie/B+/$29
9. Delgado, Carlos/B+/$29
10. Hafner, Travis DH/B+/$28
11. Giambi, Jason/B+/$27
12. Howard, Ryan/B+/$27
13. Wilkerson, Brad B./B+/$27
14. Konerko, Paul/B+/$27
15. Huff, Aubrey/B/$23
16. Green, Shawn/B/$23
17. Fielder, Prince/C+/$18
18. Thome, Jim/C+/$17
19. Overbay, Lyle/C+/$17
20. Morneau, Justin/C/$14
21. Tracy, Chad/C/$13
22. Gibbons, Jay/C/$12
23. Sweeney, Mike/C/$11
24. Bagwell, Jeff/C/$10
25. Johnson, Nick/C/$10

Here are my top 25 catchers:
http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/foru ... p?t=162719
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Postby bellings » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:38 pm

Do we know if Bagwell is even going to play next year? $10 seems to be way to high for him.

1-3 look pretty good. I'm sure that everyone will be arguing about 4-10. There seems to be a lot of Hafner love in the Cafe.
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Re: shortsavage's top 25 first basemen

Postby chris8 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:40 pm

shortsavage wrote:Notes: 1) I included Ortiz and Hafner in these rankings even though neither will start the season with 1B eligibility. 2) I'm still trying to figure out if the top 14 have such high dollar values because they will all be solid or if I inflated their values.

1. Pujols, Albert/A+/$43
2. Teixeira, Mark/A+/$40
3. Ortiz, David DH/A+/$38 - has 1B eligibility in Yahoo
4. Berkman, Lance/A/$36
5. Helton, Todd/A/$35
6. Lee, Derrek/A/$35
7. Dunn, Adam/A/$34
8. Sexson, Richie/B+/$29
9. Delgado, Carlos/B+/$29
10. Hafner, Travis/B+/$28
11. Giambi, Jason/B+/$27
12. Howard, Ryan/B+/$27
13. Wilkerson, Brad B./B+/$27 - same as Konerko? Not for me
14. Konerko, Paul/B+/$27
15. Huff, Aubrey/B/$23
16. Green, Shawn/B/$23 - too high IMO
17. Fielder, Prince/C+/$18
18. Thome, Jim/C+/$17 - should be above Green, Fielder, Wilkerson & Huff
19. Overbay, Lyle/C+/$17
20. Morneau, Justin/C/$14
21. Tracy, Chad/C/$13
22. Gibbons, Jay/C/$12
23. Sweeney, Mike/C/$11
24. Bagwell, Jeff/C/$10 - doesn't make my top 25 this year
25. Johnson, Nick/C/$10


I would have Shelton in there instead of Bagwell. Not a bad list, though ;-D
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Postby lbbaseball14 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:45 pm

I'd put Hafner 4th or 5th.
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Postby Field » Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:50 pm

I would move Konerko up, back to back 40 and 100 campaigns aren't matched by too many players. I prefer him over Sexson, Howard, Wilkerson, Giambi. I'm still having trouble determing exactly where I'm going to rank Konerko, but I know for sure it will be ahead of those guys.

1st base is sooooo deep.
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Postby big shot » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:53 pm

why on earth is thome so low?
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Re: shortsavage's top 25 first basemen

Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:01 pm

shortsavage wrote:Notes: 1) I included Ortiz and Hafner in these rankings even though neither will start the season with 1B eligibility. 2) I'm still trying to figure out if the top 14 have such high dollar values because they will all be solid or if I inflated their values.

1. Pujols, Albert/A+/$43
2. Teixeira, Mark/A+/$40
3. Ortiz, David DH/A+/$38
4. Berkman, Lance/A/$36
5. Helton, Todd/A/$35
6. Lee, Derrek/A/$35
7. Dunn, Adam/A/$34
8. Sexson, Richie/B+/$29
9. Delgado, Carlos/B+/$29
10. Hafner, Travis DH/B+/$28
11. Giambi, Jason/B+/$27
12. Howard, Ryan/B+/$27
13. Wilkerson, Brad B./B+/$27
14. Konerko, Paul/B+/$27
15. Huff, Aubrey/B/$23
16. Green, Shawn/B/$23
17. Fielder, Prince/C+/$18
18. Thome, Jim/C+/$17
19. Overbay, Lyle/C+/$17
20. Morneau, Justin/C/$14
21. Tracy, Chad/C/$13
22. Gibbons, Jay/C/$12
23. Sweeney, Mike/C/$11
24. Bagwell, Jeff/C/$10
25. Johnson, Nick/C/$10


Konerko is way too low imo. You rather have Wilkerson, Giambi and some of the others over Konerko? I sure don't.

Helton that high? I know this place has a strong pro-Helton bias, but after his power outage in 05 and the Rox going to blow again, why would you rate him above Lee, Dunn, Sexson, Delgado, Konerko, etc?
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Postby shortsavage » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:32 pm

I definately had Giambi too high to start out with. I bumped him down to 13th, below Konerko.

Helton hit .381 from July 1st on last season. He actually slugged really well during the same time period (.661, second best of all 1B to Jacobs) and led all 1B in doubles with 25. Coors will help him rebound next season.

Thome missed most of the season last year. He is one of the oldest 1B around, too, so I wouldn't consider him a lock for even 400 at bats in 2006. And even when Thome was playing last season, he was far from a top 1B.

I think Bagwell will be able to hold his own as a decent backup 1B in 12-team mixed leagues. Sure, his health isn't a given, but 24th isn't that high.

Know how people always joke about how all of Adam Dunn's RBIs come from HRs? Well, Dunn had 40 HRs and 101 RBIs in 2005 to Konerko's 40 HRs and 100 RBIs. Konerko didn't top 100 runs either (even Jeff Kent managed to drive in 100 runs and score 100 runs, in LA mind you). Konerko is just on the fringe of the elite in my mind. I don't think he will ever be the type of guy who can carry your team.

What's not to like about Brad Wilkerson moving from Washington to Texas. He has been quietly productive over the last three years. He'll be inconsistent next season, but go on enough mild tears (don't forget hit for the cycle, too) to definately be a top 15 first basemen. Notice that I have him and Konerko both at $27, too. They are close in my mind.

Thanks for all of the input so far ;-D. For a rough draft, I don't think these rankings turned out half bad.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:37 pm

Good work. I think all list are useful because everyone has a different point of view and I like to consider it. Your list is fine in my eyes. The only problem I find with it is just Hafner. I think he's as good as Berkman if not better, but that's just my opinion.
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Postby Pedantic » Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:01 pm

shortsavage wrote:I What's not to like about Brad Wilkerson moving from Washington to Texas. He has been quietly productive over the last three years. He'll be inconsistent next season, but go on enough mild tears (don't forget hit for the cycle, too) to definately be a top 15 first basemen. Notice that I have him and Konerko both at $27, too. They are close in my mind.


Wilkerson is a nice sleeper, but people are acting like he is money in the bank. His average will still hurt you. But I suppose that's the difference between points leagues and roto. I'd be interested to see how your points system scores the various categories.
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