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Postby shortsavage » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:26 pm

Here's a sneak peak at what I have going for 2006. Be warned that my scoring system is a points system, but it is pretty similar to 5x5 roto (we just weigh OBP a little more heavily). I have updated this list (see last edited note for time).

1. Martinez, Victor J./A+/$24
2. Mauer, Joe/A+$20
3. Posada, Jorge/A/$16
4. Varitek, Jason/A/$16
5. Rodriguez, Ivan/A-/$14
6. Lopez, Javy/B+/$12
7. Kendall, Jason/B+/$12
8. Barrett, Michael/B/$11
9. Pierzynski, A.J./B-/$9
10. Hernandez, Ramon/B-/$8
11. Lo Duca, Paul/C+/$8
12. Barajas, Rod/C+/$8
13. McCann, Brian/C/$6
14. Mathis, Jeff/C/$6
15. Johjima, Kenji/C/$6
16. Doumit, Ryan/C/$6
17. Schneider, Brian/C/$6
18. Estrada, Johnny/C/$6
19. Matheny, Mike/C/$6
20. Piazza, Mike/C/$6
21. Willingham, Josh/C/$5
22. Torrealba, Yorvit/C/$5
23. Molina, Yadier/C/$5
24. LaRue, Jason/C/$5
25. Molina, Bengie/C-/$4
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Re: shortsavage's top 25 catchers

Postby Yoda » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:31 pm

shortsavage wrote:Here's a sneak peak at what I have going for 2006. Be warned that my scoring system is a points system, but it is pretty similar to 5x5 roto (we just weigh OBP a little more heavily).

1. Martinez, Victor J./ A+/ $26
2. Mauer, Joe/ A+/ $20
3. Posada, Jorge/ A/ $16
4. Varitek, Jason/ A/ $16
5. Rodriguez, Ivan/ A-/ $14
6. Lopez, Javy/ B+/ $12
7. Kendall, Jason/ B+/ $12
8. Barrett, Michael/ B/ $11
9. Pierzynski, A.J./ B-/ $9
10. Hernandez, Ramon/ B-/ $8
11. Lo Duca, Paul/ C+/ $8
12. Barajas, Rod/ C+/ $8
13. Mathis, Jeff/ C/ $6
14. Schneider, Brian/ C/ $6
15. Estrada, Johnny/ C/ $6
16. Matheny, Mike/ C/ $6
17. Piazza, Mike/ C/ $6
18. Willingham, Josh/ C/ $5
19. Torrealba, Yorvit/ C/ $5
20. Molina, Yadier/ C/ $5
21. McCann, Brian/ C/ $5
22. LaRue, Jason/ C/ $5
23. Johjima, Kenji/ C/ $5
24. Molina, Bengie/ C-/ $4
25. Zaun, Gregg/ C-/ $4


McCann should be much higher now that he has the starting job to himself. I also think Johjima should be a lot higher.

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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:34 pm

Mathis is too high
Estrada is too low
Piazza and Jo-Jo is too low

deos Mathis even have full time duty yet?

La duca ?
Matheny before Piazza ?
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Postby kentx12 » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:55 pm

I think McCann and Kenji should both be much higher.
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Postby DevilDriver » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:05 pm

Doumit is a Top 15 catcher for next season and you don't even have him in the Top 25.....
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Postby DevilDriver » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:06 pm

Doumit is a Top 15 catcher for next season and you don't even have him in the Top 25.....
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Postby Iconoclastic » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:22 pm

Posada is WAY too high. He's on the decline, and even last year's numbers were average.
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Postby shortsavage » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:51 pm

Posada had the fourth most total bases of all catchers last season, only bettered by Pudge, Varitek, and V-Mart. I think he has another season left in the top tier.

Is Doumit going to get the 400+ at bats needed to be a top 15 catcher with Humberto Cota around (btw, I moved Doumit up to 24)?

Notice how close the dollar values for my #13-#23 guys are. I didn't initially weigh McCann's second half heavily enough. He is now at $6 and #13. Similarly, I'm bumping Johjima up to $6+ and he's now at #15.

Mathis will be starting in Anaheim. He's why the Angels aren't bringing Bengie Molina back. Given his offensive success in AAA last season (especially with his power, 21HR), I feel comfortable ranking Mathis in my top 15.

I think Piazza is going to fade a ton this season. His batting average was a career low last year (ignoring his 1992 season when he only had 69 at bats).

Thanks for all of the feedback so far. I'm going to keep looking at these rankings and give an update soon. I should have 1B done before long, too.
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Postby Ben_Sheets » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:53 pm

I think you did a good job except Posada is way too high. If he had the fourth most total bases as his main reason for being so high on your list then why is Tek below him if he had more? Varitek crushed him in almost every offensive category.
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Postby shortsavage » Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:04 pm

Ben_Sheets wrote:I think you did a good job except Posada is way too high. If he had the fourth most total bases as his main reason for being so high on your list then why is Tek below him if he had more? Varitek crushed him in almost every offensive category.


Notice that I have both Posada and Varitek at $16. They were actually fairly comparable in terms of countable stats last season.

Varitek had 22HRs, 70RBIs, 70 runs, and 132 hits.
Posada had 19HRs, 71RBIs, 67 runs, and 124 hits.

Varitek's extra hits were mainly doubles though.

Posada converted to catcher fairly late in his career, so I don't think he will run out of gas.

These two could easily change places in my rankings before the start of the season. I will stick to my guns that they will both be top five catchers though. All of the young catchers will not begin to dominate the top five until 2007 or 2008 in my mind.
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