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Postby Sticky Spice » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:52 am

I swear that I did see many free agents the last couple of years either say they wouldn't go to Seattle or did not include Seattle on their list of teams they would go to. I wish I could think of one besides Javier Vazquez.

Also Seattle is commonly on no-trade lists if I am remembering correctly.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:55 am

brandnew wrote:They were penny-pichers in the past, but not anymore. And Garcia is hardly top-flight pitching. He was a mediocre pitcher who didn't deserve the money he got.


I agree. My point being that now their GM is bringing them down with some of these ridiculous signings.


And as to Garcia, he may not be elite I grant you, but in today's market, he would get 13 M a year. Heck, Milton is getting something like 7 and Washburn just got 9+ M a year. You can debate whether Garcia is worth the 9 M he is getting now, but in hindsight, he is a bargain now.
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Postby Sticky Spice » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:05 am

Also I didn't mean to come across as a whiner. I think it's more interesting than anything as I know you don't have to sign the big names to win. I guess hearing others opinions of Seattle as a losing franchise opened my eyes a little. For some reason I was thinking we were an attractive franchise up til this year with a newish park, some money, and we usually attempt to win. Plus players that do end up playing here seem to like it I think?!
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Postby quietstorm » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:47 am

It's a media black hole.
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Postby wrveres » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:02 am

Sticky Spice wrote:Not that it's only Hispanics turning their nose up at us. I felt like Lou Piniella was a winner in Seattle even if he's crazy.


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Postby Sticky Spice » Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:44 am

My two sentences there were completely unrelated despite being in the same paragraph.

The Piniella comment was in reference to something someone earlier said about the Mariners not being dedicated to winning because Lou was their manager.
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Postby GameOn » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:57 am

Sticky Spice wrote:My two sentences there were completely unrelated despite being in the same paragraph.

The Piniella comment was in reference to something someone earlier said about the Mariners not being dedicated to winning because Lou was their manager.


As a rangers fan I can tell you that you have nothing to complain about...the Rangers can't get a good pitcher even if they laid all the money out on the table and Daniels got on his kness :-o
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Postby Another Blown Save » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:39 am

All the Japanese players want to sign with the Mariners :-)
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Postby Big Pimpin » Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:54 pm

Seattle has never had good luck with free agents. The reason they won was because they drafted well and made some good trades. However, up until Ichiro the best FA they'd ever signed was Chris Bosio. Seattle gets a bad rap for the rain, during baseball season there is no prettier city than Seattle. If you don't like the rain, don't stay for the winter.

I know that last year they really wanted to (or had to in order to satisfy the fan base) make a splash, and ended up overpaying for both Sexson and Beltre. Now they've done it again with Washburn. Whether it's the location of the city and all the travel they have to do, or whether the offensive players are all scared of the hit their stats are going to take at Safeco, I don't know. But they apparently are still having one helluva time signing FAs.

And that joker Bavasi doesn't seem to be helping...
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Postby wrveres » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:27 pm

Well lets see ..
this is 5 of the starting 8 fielders that signed as FA's within the last year .

Sexson
Beltre
Ibanez
Everett
Jojima

what are you guys talking about?
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