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Postby quietstorm » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:26 pm

shamah (DC): What do you think of the Marte/Macowiack deal? I think it's another unheralded deal for Kenny Williams--he gives up an underachieving reliever who was in Ozzie's doghouse and wasn't getting any PT, for a really useful ulility guy who carries some stick and can play everywhere on the field.

Joe Sheehan: Mackowiak becomes the best bench player they have, and a very useful cog on a heavily right-handed team that doesn't have a ton of lefty sock, Thome aside. The fact that Marte wasn't ever going to be trusted with a real role again essentially makes it a free deal.

It's not a bad move for the Pirates, either. They actually have a sweet little bullpen, useful for protecting 3-2 deficits.[/b]
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Postby wrveres » Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:34 pm

the 2006 Pirates are going to be a fairly decent team.
they'll have a young staff with a lot of upside, a solid bullpen, and a couple of .300 hitting corner infielders to go along with Bay and Wilson
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Postby zhutou » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:14 pm

oliver perez will get back on track next season as well, you can count on it.
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Postby JTWood » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:24 pm

wrveres wrote:the 2006 Pirates are going to be a fairly decent team.
they'll have a young staff with a lot of upside, a solid bullpen, and a couple of .300 hitting corner infielders to go along with Bay and Wilson

Yet another team to beat down the loser Cardinals.

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Postby RynMan » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:31 pm

JTWood wrote:
wrveres wrote:the 2006 Pirates are going to be a fairly decent team.
they'll have a young staff with a lot of upside, a solid bullpen, and a couple of .300 hitting corner infielders to go along with Bay and Wilson

Yet another team to beat down the loser Cardinals.

;-7 B-)


LMAO.

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Postby Mercer Boy » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:09 pm

wrveres wrote:the 2006 Pirates are going to be a fairly decent team.
they'll have a young staff with a lot of upside, a solid bullpen, and a couple of .300 hitting corner infielders to go along with Bay and Wilson


I know you have a closet affinity for my Pirates, but I don't know...I'm really tired of having optimism for these guys. Every year we bring in this guy or that, and then we're expected to be better.

Then every year we start out hot due to our decent pitching (which for whatever reason is always more advanced than opposing hitting to start the year), and then we continue to make expectations rise.

Then the bottom falls out, and we get blasted.

That deal blew chunks for Pittsburgh. Mackowiak was worth more than a guy that we gave up on 3 years ago and a guy CHW gave up on. He was valuable to a lot of teams because of his utility, so why couldn't we package him to another team for a real 3B? Youkilis or Mueller is not going to help this team either.

While I'm at it...if we give Mueller 13.5 million for 3 years I'm going to barf. %-6
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Postby JTWood » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:13 pm

Mercer Boy wrote:
wrveres wrote:the 2006 Pirates are going to be a fairly decent team.
they'll have a young staff with a lot of upside, a solid bullpen, and a couple of .300 hitting corner infielders to go along with Bay and Wilson


I know you have a closet affinity for my Pirates, but I don't know...I'm really tired of having optimism for these guys. Every year we bring in this guy or that, and then we're expected to be better.

Then every year we start out hot due to our decent pitching (which for whatever reason is always more advanced than opposing hitting to start the year), and then we continue to make expectations rise.

Then the bottom falls out, and we get blasted.

That deal blew chunks for Pittsburgh. Mackowiak was worth more than a guy that we gave up on 3 years ago and a guy CHW gave up on. He was valuable to a lot of teams because of his utility, so why couldn't we package him to another team for a real 3B? Youkilis or Mueller is not going to help this team either.

While I'm at it...if we give Mueller 13.5 million for 3 years I'm going to barf. %-6

Yeah, but you got a new manager.

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Postby Mercer Boy » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:15 pm

Can't wait to see his lifetime coaching record go below .500 by the end of his tenure (or this year). :,-(
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Postby ayebatter » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:32 am

zhutou wrote:oliver perez will get back on track next season as well, you can count on it.


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Postby wrveres » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:12 am

They are just minor league numbers, but they are career minor league numbers so it makes them slightly more impressive.

<pre> W L Whip K/9
SP LHP 23 Zach Duke 43 17 1.09 7.25
SP RHP 24 Ian Snell 48 20 1.18 8.76
SP LHP 23 Sean Burnett 41 24 1.16 5.92
SP RHP 25 Bryan Bullington 34 17 1.26 6.69
SP LHP 24 Paul Maholm 10 9 1.29 7.22
SP LHP 24 Tom Gorzelanny 19 14 1.18 9.13</pre>
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