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Postby Danimal » Tue Dec 13, 2005 1:56 pm

Hopefully, Ponson has invested well and got himself a good attorney.


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Postby rotterdam_82 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:07 pm

Ponson is earning $10m a year???? Get out of it, that can't be true......
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:29 pm

Ponson's contract was backloaded, so in 06, he makes 10 M (assuming the grievance goes his way), If not, that is going to be a very expensive DWI.


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Postby Another Blown Save » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:57 pm

Bagwell at 17M :-P
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Postby quietstorm » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:10 pm

Big Pimpin wrote:How about:

Randy $16M
AFraud $25M
Captain Yankee $19M
Yeah, as we can all see, A-Rod isn't, like, the best third baseman in baseball or anything. He isn't a lock for the Hall of Fame at age 30. It isn't like he's one of the (or is it the) youngest players ever to get 400 homers.

25 million is too much for anybody, but if you want to win, you hire guys like A-Rod, even if you have to spend like that. (This does not absolve the Wright and Pavano signings, nor the Ryan and Burnett signings, nor the Rogers and Jones signings.)
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:17 pm

quietstorm wrote:
Big Pimpin wrote:How about:

Randy $16M
AFraud $25M
Captain Yankee $19M
Yeah, as we can all see, A-Rod isn't, like, the best third baseman in baseball or anything. He isn't a lock for the Hall of Fame at age 30. It isn't like he's one of the (or is it the) youngest players ever to get 400 homers.

25 million is too much for anybody, but if you want to win, you hire guys like A-Rod, even if you have to spend like that. (This does not absolve the Wright and Pavano signings, nor the Ryan and Burnett signings, nor the Rogers and Jones signings.)


I agree that nobody deserves $25 M a year - but if you had to pick someone to receive the most money in baseball it should be A-Rod considering everything that he brings to the table for a franchise on the field and off the field from a marketing perspective.
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Postby bellings » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:32 pm

Radke at $9 mil doesn't bother me too much. Last year was a bit of a disappointment, but Radke is a much better pitcher in real like than in fantasy. It is one of the least bad salaries on the list.
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Postby quietstorm » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:43 pm

Yeah, Radke has been a 7-win pitcher fairly consistently in the past. The signing was worth it.

Bonds is wholly worth his salary when he plays (last sub-10 WARP season was 1999, excluding 2005).

Beltran may not have made his money last year, but there was no reason to expect that poor performance. At the same time, there was no reason to expect more than 7-8 WARP, but that still makes him worth his salary at the signing date.

Foulke had a bad year, but there was no reason to expect it -- he was well worth his salary before last year.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:24 pm

quietstorm wrote:Yeah, Radke has been a 7-win pitcher fairly consistently in the past. The signing was worth it.

Bonds is wholly worth his salary when he plays (last sub-10 WARP season was 1999, excluding 2005).

Beltran may not have made his money last year, but there was no reason to expect that poor performance. At the same time, there was no reason to expect more than 7-8 WARP, but that still makes him worth his salary at the signing date.

Foulke had a bad year, but there was no reason to expect it -- he was well worth his salary before last year.


That is like saying Giambi was worth it until he fell off because of roids.

Moose was worth it until he got old.

Bottom line is that a lot of these guys were worth it at the time. They have turned out to be bad signings now based on recent performance or various other factors like advancing age. And that is what GMs are paid not to do. Saying there was no reason to expect bltran was really matt lawton is not relevant. Bottom line is he did not earn his money and it is his GM's responsiblity. He could bounce back, but if he did what he did in 05 in his 04 walk year, he would not have gotten the contract he did.
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Postby quietstorm » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:39 pm

If there's every reason to expect a player will live up to his contract, it's a good contract.

That we had no reason to expect that performance out of Beltran is relevant, because, as they said, hindsight is 20/20. Foresight doesn't exist. So we're left with projections.
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