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Postby WittyC » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:02 am

phillibuster wrote:I'd look for Maggs and Giles before Wilkerson on draft day.


Wilkerson, assuming he'll be playing everyday, is every bit as good as Maggs, considering injury concerns. Giles is a good pick if the Petco fence is moving in.

I'd count on Beltran to be tier 3. I think he'll bounce back to some decent numbers with a better supporting cast.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:32 am

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Postby daullaz » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:44 am

With the catchers, I agree with earlier posts that Mauer deserves to be in Tier 1. That's as much a testament to his ability as it is the fact that V-Mart isn't exactly a consistent hitter that doesn't go through cold spells (unlike Pujols at 1B, A-Rod at 3B, etc).

Tier 4 seems a little high for Jojima. He flashed great power in Japan, but we know that isn't a lock to translate to the ML, especially playing in Seattle. The Pierzynski-Barrett tier would be a better fit for him at this point.

I would eliminate Closser and replace him with Yorvit Torrealba, whom the Rockies acquired and intend to give every shot to be the starter.

If you're listing guys like Matheny and Zaun, I would just go ahead and put Damian Miller, Dioner Navarro, Mike Lieberthal (who could conceivably be a little higher), Jason LaRue, John Buck, Toby Hall, and Brian Schneider. I also like rookies Jeff Mathis and Josh Willingham, as they look to be option #1 for their teams at this point.

I think the first three tiers of OFs are on point. ;-D

I would sneak Beltran into Tier 3. He was awful this season, but he's going to have a MUCH improved lineup and a lot less pressure to excel.

Vernon Wells had an off-year, but he's a Tier 4 guy in my eyes.

I don't know if Dusty is going to give Pierre a green light; I would flip-flop him and Wells.

Most of tiers 5 and 6 seem to be complete personal preference; for instance, I'm higher on Hunter and Drew and cooler on Dye. But it's your list, so whatever five and six look like is just a reflection of your thoughts.

Chone Figgins qualifies in the OF too, as does Ryan Freel.

Players that I think are at least as good as the ones you have in the bottom tier: Jeff Francouer, David Dellucci, David DeJesus, Raul Ibanez, Reggie Sanders, Aaron Rowand, Curtis Granderson, Brian Anderson.
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:00 pm

UPDATED VERSION:
New updates as I've changed quite a bit over the last few weeks.

Catchers:
Tier 1:
-Victor Martinez

Tier 2:
-Joe Mauer
-Jason Varitek

Tier 3:
-Javy Lopez
-Mike Piazza
-Jorge Posada

Tier 4:
-Ivan Rodriguez
-Ramon Hernandez
-Bengie Molina

Tier 5:
-Paul Lo Duca
-AJ Pierzynski
-Michael Barrett
-Kenji Johjima
-Jason Kendall
-Brian McCann


Outfielders:
Tier 1:
-Vladimir Guerrero
-Manny Ramirez
-Miguel Cabrera

Tier 2:
-Jason Bay
-Bobby Abreu
-Carl Crawford
-Gary Sheffield
-Andruw Jones
-Barry Bonds

Tier 3:
-Adam Dunn
-Hideki Matsui
-Carlos Beltran
-Ichiro Suzuki
-Lance Berkman
-Chone Figgins

Tier 4:
-Johnny Damon
-Grady Sizemore
-Carlos Lee
-Scott Podsednik
-Vernon Wells
-Juan Pierre
-Pat Burrell

Tier 5:
-Jim Edmonds
-Ken Griffey Jr.
-Aubrey Huff
-Matt Holliday
-Brian Giles
-Willy Taveras
-Wily Mo Pena
-Magglio Ordonez
-Jose Guillen
-Cliff Floyd
-Brad Wilkerson
-Garret Anderson
-Jermaine Dye

Tier 6:
-Torii Hunter
-Coco Crisp
-Moises Alou
-Jonny Gomes
-JD Drew
-Jeremy Hermida
-Ryan Freel
-Geoff Jenkins
-Preston Wilson
-Rocco Baldelli
-Luis Gonzalez
-Randy Winn
-Jeromy Burnitz
-Jeff Francoeur
-Shawn Green
-Emil Brown
-Jason Lane
-Reggie Sanders
-Milton Bradley
-Craig Monroe
-Mark Kotsay
-Jay Gibbons
-Kevin Mench
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Postby suppasonic » Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:48 pm

JD Drew should be up at two Tiers higher. The only thing that really got him out last year was a freak hit by pitch, he hopefully should have a full healthy season. And if he was guarenteed to be healthy, hes a Tier 3.

I think Bay and Bobby both deserve Tier 1 status.

Varitek is a Tier 1 catcher, no doubt in my mind. V-Mart is too inconsistent for a number 1.
Other then a few missing catchers, I think thats a pretty sweet list.
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Postby sooner711 » Fri Dec 30, 2005 2:36 am

suppasonic wrote:JD Drew should be up at two Tiers higher. The only thing that really got him out last year was a freak hit by pitch, he hopefully should have a full healthy season. And if he was guarenteed to be healthy, hes a Tier 3.

I think Bay and Bobby both deserve Tier 1 status.

Varitek is a Tier 1 catcher, no doubt in my mind. V-Mart is too inconsistent for a number 1.
Other then a few missing catchers, I think thats a pretty sweet list.


I was listening to XM radio earlier today and they were saying JD Drew is still having shoulder problems, and may have to take it easy and not fully participate in spring training.
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Postby silverZ » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:23 pm

I had an hour the other day and made my own changes and thought this thread could use some bumpage.

Catchers:
Tier 1:
-Victor Martinez

Tier 2:
-Joe Mauer
-Jason Varitek
-Javy Lopez

Tier 3:
-Jorge Posada
-Mike Piazza

Tier 4:
-Ramon Hernandez
-Ivan Rodriguez
-Bengie Molina

Tier 5:
-Paul Lo Duca
-AJ Pierzynski
-Michael Barrett
-Kenji Johjima
-Jason Kendall
-Brian McCann


Outfielders:
Tier 1:
-Vladimir Guerrero
-Manny Ramirez
-Miguel Cabrera

Tier 2:
-Bobby Abreu
-Jason Bay
-Carl Crawford
-Gary Sheffield
-Andruw Jones

Tier 3:
-Hideki Matsui
-Adam Dunn
-Chone Figgins
-Johnny Damon
-Ichiro Suzuki
-Lance Berkman
-Barry Bonds
-Carlos Beltran

Tier 4:
-Grady Sizemore
-Carlos Lee
-Vernon Wells
-Juan Pierre
-Pat Burrell
-Scott Podsednik

Tier 5:
-Jim Edmonds
-Aubrey Huff
-Matt Holliday
-Magglio Ordonez
-Brad Wilkerson
-Ken Griffey Jr.
-Brian Giles
-Willy Taveras
-Jose Guillen
-Cliff Floyd
-Wily Mo Pena
-Garret Anderson
-Jermaine Dye

Tier 6:
-Coco Crisp
-Torii Hunter
-Jonny Gomes
-Moises Alou
-Jason Lane
-Kevin Mench
-Jeremy Hermida
-Ryan Freel
-Geoff Jenkins
-Preston Wilson
-Rocco Baldelli
-Luis Gonzalez
-Randy Winn
-JD Drew
-Jeromy Burnitz
-Jeff Francoeur
-Shawn Green
-Emil Brown
-Reggie Sanders
-Milton Bradley
-Craig Monroe
-Mark Kotsay
-Jay Gibbons[/b]
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Postby DevilDriver » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:29 pm

Everyone is overrating Piazza.... what makes people think he'll do better outside of Shea? - His home stats were better than his road stats last season.
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Postby Ender » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:32 pm

I can't see putting pods over pierre. Pierre is younger, has more upside from a BA standpoint and doesn't have the injury issues pods has had.
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