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Postby Trot Nixon » Thu Dec 08, 2005 9:41 am

What I worry about with the Blue Jays is that if they end up in the same position they were last year and then having a firesale like the Marlins did this year. But who knows the Jays could finish first now, but we all thought the say thing with the Marlins last year. :-o
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Postby ironman » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:35 am

Want to talk excessive deals? What about the 3-year deal the Phillies threw at a 38 year old reliever that hasn't been a full-time closer in 5 years?
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Postby Mookie4ever » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:58 am

Trot Nixon wrote:What I worry about with the Blue Jays is that if they end up in the same position they were last year and then having a firesale like the Marlins did this year. But who knows the Jays could finish first now, but we all thought the say thing with the Marlins last year. :-o


Do you guys not read my posts? Don't answer that...


The Jays' payroll of $75 M is LESS than the league average. It is less than their payrolls in 2001 and 2002 and it is about one third of the Yankees' payroll. What firesale?!?
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Postby HOOTIE » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:30 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:Hootie there are 2 issues here:
-are the Jays insane to give these guys relatively long term deals (4-5 yrs)? and
- did the Jays ruin the market by giving them too much money?

You seem to be saying both.


I'm not picking on the Jays. I don't like most of the signings so far. Hoffman deal seems ok, 13.5 mil 2 years, option for 3rd at 19 mil. But even that deal forced SD to give away Loretta. Yes, some 4-5 year deals work out. Alot don't. It's risky. I like 1-3 year deals. Too many times, teams try to bail out of the deals. Jays are fine now in payroll, but who's to say how they will be later on. Isn't VWells a FA soon? The Jays didn't ruin anything. The market has been crazy awhile. It just seems like 4-5 year deals at 9-11 mil a year are happening alot this offseason. Millwood likeley will be next. I like what Chicago did last year. Nothing but 1-3 year deals, with 10 mil total long term tops. They got key players cheap (Taguchi, Dye, Hermanson, Pierzynski).
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:33 pm

Come on now, even a 47 year old Julio Franco can get a 2 year deal in this market...

Rotoworld:
The Mets are close to signing Julio Franco to a two-year deal.
Now we know why the Braves could re-sign him to another cheap one-year deal. Franco is now 47, so this seems rather extreme. Still, it won't be for much money, and the Mets wouldn't have to keep him in 2007 if he falls off dramatically.


Next up, a multi-year deal for Felix Heredia as a Yankee lefty specialist...OOOhhh...been there, done that.
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Postby mweir145 » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:24 pm

Trot Nixon wrote:What I worry about with the Blue Jays is that if they end up in the same position they were last year and then having a firesale like the Marlins did this year. But who knows the Jays could finish first now, but we all thought the say thing with the Marlins last year. :-o

Firesale? :-?

As far as I know, Ted Rogers isn't attempting to sell this team, I mean he just bought an entire stadium, and is planning for more renovations on it this winter..That and the fact that he just gave out 102 million, he's in this long-term...
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