CC wrote:Obviously the only way a one-sided arguement like this could be had would be over on the baseball side.
I can't even believe that Adrian Peterson was compared to Ron Dayne in this thread, that is the single stupidest comparison I have ever heard in football. Peterson is a virtual lock to go in the top 3 next year and value wise, he is head and shoulders above any other player in his class.
I don't know if you guys realise this, but Reggie Bush plays in the Pac-10, or the Pac-1 as it should be more accurately referred to as. No team in this entire conference has any semblance of a defence and even though the Big 12 is no SEC there are still a bunch of solid defensive teams.
Oh and by the way, everyone should stop using Barry Sanders comparisons when it comes to smaller backs that aren't effective running between the tackles. Every year some overrated small back that doesn't run with power comes in and people knock on them about their size, and everyone and their grandmother says "Tell Barry Sanders that size doesn't matter." I am still waiting for one of these running backs to live up to 1/10th of the legacy Barry left behind.
I am not saying Bush isn't an elite talent, he is the #1 player on my draft board (assuming I don't have a stud RB already and a need at OT or QB) but anyone who thinks he is head and shoulders above Peterson either does not know anything about football or is deluding themselves. I think that people are really starting to buy into the hype and when I hear things like "next Gale Sayers" or "best college RB ever" it makes me wonder if people simply forget about the dominant things people before them have done.
BTW, there is a thread about this on the football side. You can find me arguing as Canadian_Cheesehead. Always good to have more people to argue about what casual football fans would consider to be a landslide win in Bush's favour.
Remind me to not listen to you in football related discussions.
How in the hell can you say Dayne shouldn't be in the same breath as Peterson. You lose all credibility with that one comment.
Dayne HAS ran for over 2,000 yards and WON a Heisman. Peterson Zero and Zero in those departments. Peterson is not of the calibur that Ron Dayne was in college. Case closed.
Plus Bush isn't 200lbs. He is more like 205 and will likely be in the 210-15 range in the NFL.
He is listed at 6 feet and 200 pounds. He said he added about 5 pounds of muscle before this season to get up over 200 and become a more effective runner between the tackles.
Another NFL RB who is small not making an impact? Dude, you have zero credibility if you believe that comment. Priest fricking Holmes. Curtis Martin is about the same size as Bush. Marshall Faulk and Bush have almost identical frames especially coming out of college. Warrick Dunn is no great, but he is pretty damn good. Julius Jones is about his size and he's doing ok. Clinton Portis is close to his size. Brian Westbrook is his size and productive.
I hate when people try to bring his size up as if hes a midget. He is very strong and over 200lbs. You either don't watch him play (bc he will lower his shoulder and get a couple extra yards) or you just plain hate USC and can't see his greatness.
There's a pretty big difference between Bush's stature and that of some of the guys you are comparing him to...JJ, Priest, CMart. Most of them are around 5'10 210 while Reggie is 6'0 200. The best comparison size wise is probably Portis and even he is still a lot bigger than Reggie. Yes I agree Bush's upper body is pretty strong but looking at his legs they don't seem that big to me, not sure if he'll be able to go through a full NFL season getting even 200 carries with his stature. I'm not a Bush hater or a USC hater I just call it like I see it. Many people make Bush out to be a god and I'm just bringing up some of the concerns I have for him.
I haven't read all of the posts in this thread....mainly b/c it is mostly about college football (but doesn't Adrian Peterson play for the Bears?) but what I have read leads me to tell you to tone it down. You guys want to fight - go to the football cafe.
I guess I agree with those guys who say the two RBs are really quite close. To me, as someone else said, if I was building a franchise and could take either RB, it would greatly depend on what kind of offense (and defense) I wanted to run since both RBs have different strengths and weaknesses - and yes - even Reggie Bush has weaknesses.
CC wrote:Obviously the only way a one-sided arguement like this could be had would be over on the baseball side.
I can't even believe that Adrian Peterson was compared to Ron Dayne in this thread, that is the single stupidest comparison I have ever heard in football. Peterson is a virtual lock to go in the top 3 next year and value wise, he is head and shoulders above any other player in his class.
I don't know if you guys realise this, but Reggie Bush plays in the Pac-10, or the Pac-1 as it should be more accurately referred to as. No team in this entire conference has any semblance of a defence and even though the Big 12 is no SEC there are still a bunch of solid defensive teams.
Oh and by the way, everyone should stop using Barry Sanders comparisons when it comes to smaller backs that aren't effective running between the tackles. Every year some overrated small back that doesn't run with power comes in and people knock on them about their size, and everyone and their grandmother says "Tell Barry Sanders that size doesn't matter." I am still waiting for one of these running backs to live up to 1/10th of the legacy Barry left behind.
I am not saying Bush isn't an elite talent, he is the #1 player on my draft board (assuming I don't have a stud RB already and a need at OT or QB) but anyone who thinks he is head and shoulders above Peterson either does not know anything about football or is deluding themselves. I think that people are really starting to buy into the hype and when I hear things like "next Gale Sayers" or "best college RB ever" it makes me wonder if people simply forget about the dominant things people before them have done.
BTW, there is a thread about this on the football side. You can find me arguing as Canadian_Cheesehead. Always good to have more people to argue about what casual football fans would consider to be a landslide win in Bush's favour.
Remind me to not listen to you in football related discussions.
How in the hell can you say Dayne shouldn't be in the same breath as Peterson. You lose all credibility with that one comment.
Dayne HAS ran for over 2,000 yards and WON a Heisman. Peterson Zero and Zero in those departments. Peterson is not of the calibur that Ron Dayne was in college. Case closed.
Plus Bush isn't 200lbs. He is more like 205 and will likely be in the 210-15 range in the NFL.
He is listed at 6 feet and 200 pounds. He said he added about 5 pounds of muscle before this season to get up over 200 and become a more effective runner between the tackles.
Another NFL RB who is small not making an impact? Dude, you have zero credibility if you believe that comment. Priest fricking Holmes. Curtis Martin is about the same size as Bush. Marshall Faulk and Bush have almost identical frames especially coming out of college. Warrick Dunn is no great, but he is pretty damn good. Julius Jones is about his size and he's doing ok. Clinton Portis is close to his size. Brian Westbrook is his size and productive.
I hate when people try to bring his size up as if hes a midget. He is very strong and over 200lbs. You either don't watch him play (bc he will lower his shoulder and get a couple extra yards) or you just plain hate USC and can't see his greatness.
Excuse me, I thought you were comparing Peterson to Dayne as a pro prospect. My mistake.
I am not so much concerned about Bush's size as I am about his ability to run between the tackles, if Bush was such a great inside runner, they wouldn't use Lendale White whenever they need tough yards inside (a great RB in his own right).
I don't dislike Bush at all, in fact I like him, however I am not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since shoe strings when there are still questions as to what he can do.
CC wrote:Obviously the only way a one-sided arguement like this could be had would be over on the baseball side.
I can't even believe that Adrian Peterson was compared to Ron Dayne in this thread, that is the single stupidest comparison I have ever heard in football. Peterson is a virtual lock to go in the top 3 next year and value wise, he is head and shoulders above any other player in his class.
I don't know if you guys realise this, but Reggie Bush plays in the Pac-10, or the Pac-1 as it should be more accurately referred to as. No team in this entire conference has any semblance of a defence and even though the Big 12 is no SEC there are still a bunch of solid defensive teams.
Oh and by the way, everyone should stop using Barry Sanders comparisons when it comes to smaller backs that aren't effective running between the tackles. Every year some overrated small back that doesn't run with power comes in and people knock on them about their size, and everyone and their grandmother says "Tell Barry Sanders that size doesn't matter." I am still waiting for one of these running backs to live up to 1/10th of the legacy Barry left behind.
I am not saying Bush isn't an elite talent, he is the #1 player on my draft board (assuming I don't have a stud RB already and a need at OT or QB) but anyone who thinks he is head and shoulders above Peterson either does not know anything about football or is deluding themselves. I think that people are really starting to buy into the hype and when I hear things like "next Gale Sayers" or "best college RB ever" it makes me wonder if people simply forget about the dominant things people before them have done.
BTW, there is a thread about this on the football side. You can find me arguing as Canadian_Cheesehead. Always good to have more people to argue about what casual football fans would consider to be a landslide win in Bush's favour.
Remind me to not listen to you in football related discussions.
How in the hell can you say Dayne shouldn't be in the same breath as Peterson. You lose all credibility with that one comment.
Dayne HAS ran for over 2,000 yards and WON a Heisman. Peterson Zero and Zero in those departments. Peterson is not of the calibur that Ron Dayne was in college. Case closed.
Plus Bush isn't 200lbs. He is more like 205 and will likely be in the 210-15 range in the NFL.
He is listed at 6 feet and 200 pounds. He said he added about 5 pounds of muscle before this season to get up over 200 and become a more effective runner between the tackles.
Another NFL RB who is small not making an impact? Dude, you have zero credibility if you believe that comment. Priest fricking Holmes. Curtis Martin is about the same size as Bush. Marshall Faulk and Bush have almost identical frames especially coming out of college. Warrick Dunn is no great, but he is pretty damn good. Julius Jones is about his size and he's doing ok. Clinton Portis is close to his size. Brian Westbrook is his size and productive.
I hate when people try to bring his size up as if hes a midget. He is very strong and over 200lbs. You either don't watch him play (bc he will lower his shoulder and get a couple extra yards) or you just plain hate USC and can't see his greatness.
Excuse me, I thought you were comparing Peterson to Dayne as a pro prospect. My mistake.
I am not so much concerned about Bush's size as I am about his ability to run between the tackles, if Bush was such a great inside runner, they wouldn't use Lendale White whenever they need tough yards inside (a great RB in his own right).
I don't dislike Bush at all, in fact I like him, however I am not ready to anoint him as the greatest thing since shoe strings when there are still questions as to what he can do.
You would know that I was dicussing their college careers if you read anything that I said. I went out of my way several times to say we are discussing College not pro's. I then said if we want to discuss "future" pro careers we can.
Why would I compare a college kid to a pro player? It makes no sense.
You still did not read my post because I said Reggie is 6'0'' 205 not 200 like you stated even after I provided the link that he is 205. By the time he is in the combine he will be at least 210, so his size will be the same as those guys.
Why does Lendale get the carries on the goal or for short yards? Maybe because Bush usually breaks away for a 40-60 yard gain to get tripped up on the 5 and he is way too tired to take a goaline run.
How about the fact that White is better at the goaline than he is, but Reggie can still put it in? Carroll knows Reggie can run it in at the goaline, but Lendale is better. Bush is better at every other aspect than White and pretty much everyone in CFB. It still doesn't mean he is above average at it.
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