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Postby stumpak » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:09 pm

Isn't everyone overlooking the fact that in addition to history or injury, Castillo sucks? How he is he un upgrade when is career and 2005 OPS is LOWER than Cuddyer? Why woudl the Twins pay all that money for a guy who is old and downtrending and is not even better than the young and possible uptrending guy they have? And oh yeah, Castillo cannot run anymore either.

Given that this does nothing to improve the Twins and adds a bunch of salary that could have been used elsewhere, this is a stupid trade.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:19 pm

stumpak wrote:Isn't everyone overlooking the fact that in addition to history or injury, Castillo sucks? How he is he un upgrade when is career and 2005 OPS is LOWER than Cuddyer? Why woudl the Twins pay all that money for a guy who is old and downtrending and is not even better than the young and possible uptrending guy they have? And oh yeah, Castillo cannot run anymore either.

Given that this does nothing to improve the Twins and adds a bunch of salary that could have been used elsewhere, this is a stupid trade.
Cuddyer is still going to be in the lineup playing 3rd. Castillo replaces Punto.
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Postby Pedantic » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:35 pm

stumpak wrote:Isn't everyone overlooking the fact that in addition to history or injury, Castillo sucks? How he is he un upgrade when is career and 2005 OPS is LOWER than Cuddyer? Why woudl the Twins pay all that money for a guy who is old and downtrending and is not even better than the young and possible uptrending guy they have? And oh yeah, Castillo cannot run anymore either.

Given that this does nothing to improve the Twins and adds a bunch of salary that could have been used elsewhere, this is a stupid trade.


Castillo does not suck. In fact, he has been a far better leadoff hitter than Pierre for at least the past two years, not to mention his defense at second. This is an excellent pick-up of a very underrated hitter.
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Postby joeg24 » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:10 pm

??? Castillo sucks? Since when did a 390 OBA suck and 3 gold gloves in a row? Who cares what his OPS is, last I checked he's not a cleanup hitter and fielding is important.

Aaron Gleeman has an outstanding writeup on this trade on his blog. I'll steal some info from it

Castillo's career OBA (note it was 390 last year) is 370

Since 2001 the Twins have had FIVE players only over that!

The OBA for Twins 2B's has averaged 308 over the last 5 seasons. So if Castillo goes for 370, that roughly 40 more times Mauer hits with a guy on base as 2B has been a common #2 guy for Gardy. Then Mauer is around 370, so Morneau will have to 370+ guys batting in front of him, that will help his confidence a ton. I that doesn't drastically upgrade the offense...

Also, he has a team option for 5.75 next year. Considering what guys like Furcal are going for, I think this is a bargin for a small market team..

Great job Terry, now pick the 275/30 guy out of the high risk litle cost pool like Piazza, Big Hurt, Nomar, etc... and we'll be set to battle the Indians and White Sox in what should be a great race!
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Postby looptid » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:00 pm

Been away from the cafe for a while. To touch on some of the things said in previous posts...

Grant Balfour isn't in the running for anything other than a bullpen role, if he's even ready to go by opening day. His game was based around being able to touch 98 on the gun. After his arm problems and surgery, I doubt his velocity next season is going to be anywhere near what it was in the past, and no one knows how effective he'll be. I don't think the Twins can count on him being a part of their staff in 2006, but if he does manage to make it back and stick it will be a nice surprise.

Someone mentioned something about the emergence of Crain... Crain scares the hell out of me. His dominant 11.48 K/9 in the minors hasn't translated yet to the big league level (3.29 K/9). The Twins have tinkered with his delivery to get more movement on his pitches and he dropped a lot of velocity... from mid-ninties heat down to low-ninties warm. Anything is possible, but relievers with a sub-four K/9 usually don't sustain the kind of success he has had the last two seasons.

There is no way the Twins will part with Scott Baker. It's about economics. He'll be a no. 3 caliber starter and only make $400,000 next season.

Radke isn't going anywhere. He's a 10/5 player and has veto power on any trade. He took a hometown discount when he signed his current contract so he could retire as a Twin and spend his entire career with one team. There is no way he would agree to be traded.

The two pitchers the Twins are actively shopping around are Lohse and Romero. Lohse isn't overpriced when compared to what the market is awarding third and fourth staters, but the Twins have too many cheap internal replacements to keep his salary. People have mentioned Baker and Liriano, but they also have Boof Bonser and Matt Guerrier who wouldn't make awful fifth starters. There is even Dave Gassner who could pass as a major league starting pitcher for a few weeks if needed in an emergency. Thus, Lohse will either be offered arbitration and traded or let go as a free agent. Romero is too inconsistant to justify his salary.

I think the Castillo deal is a decent one for the Twins. It will end the nightmarish clown car routine of futility infeilders the Twins suffered through at second base last season (Castro/Rivas/Punto/L. Rodriguez). Worst case scenario they upgraded their defense, but with their horrid on-base percentage, Castillo will be an improvement offensively if Gardenhire bats him leadoff. Anywhere else, with Castillo who has zero pop, would be a bad idea. The problem is that Gardenhire is one of the worst managers in the major leagues. He juggled line-ups all the time last season without any thinking behind the moves other than "let's try something and see if it sticks". Not to mention calling out second year players like Mauer and Morneau for not playing hurt... which is always a genius idea... ridicule your franchise catcher coming off season ending knee surgery for not playing hurt... :-? Gardenhire aslo plays favorites, big time, and one of "his guys" is Stewart, who despite having the worst outfield arm in the majors and just average range, plays left field when Ford is the DH, despite the fact that Ford was a center fielder in the minors and was called on to play center in Hunter's absence even over Jones, because Stewart whines when he just has to DH. He aslo whined when he was moved out of the leadoff spot last season, and Gardenhire caved and put him back there. I really hope he doesn't cave to Stewart and hit Castillo second.

But... while I don't mind losing Walker, I really liked Bowyer. The Twins organization threw some knocks at him, like his mechanics were too jerky and he didn't take to attempts to teach him new pitches... but he does throw 97 and posted a 2.78 ERA in 74.1 innings, striking out 94 Triple-A hitters last season before being called up. If he can cut down his walks, he'll be closing for the Marlins sooner than later.

All this is academic if the Twins don't at least add a good right handed bat. And they'll still need a couple breakout seasons from the likes of Kubel, Cuddyer, Bartlett, or Morneau if they want to hang with Chicago and Cleveland.
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