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Postby cannonarm21 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:16 am

I have been really surprised by the lack of rumors and activity surrounding the Yankees. Usually this time of year they are involved in every rumor possible.

Is it based on lack of talent they have to trade away, or do you feel they have a major move up their sleeve that they will announce next week? I cannot see them staying put this off season.

I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:37 am

The lack of rumors may be the result of Cashman finally getting his chance to really run the team his way. I mean it's been a while since I've heard the yanks talk about dealing to give up salary, but that's where it's at now. The Yanks need a facelift in a few areas and believe me they will make a deal to get a real CF.
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Postby TheYanks04 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:44 am

He just spent 17 M on Farnsworth of all people and signed Stinnett.

Typical Cashman as he is too inept to get Gordon back or deal with "minor" problems like a 7th inning reliever that doesn't totally blow for the past 4 years, a CF that doesn't blow (the past 2 years), or a lefty specilaist that has an ERA under 10 (the past 3 or so years), etc. He still likes Leiter from one report for the lefty specialist role. I am surprised Embree is not being considered.

I do not see any difference at all.
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby blankman » Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:03 pm

cannonarm21 wrote:I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.


I'm sorry, but these statements are wrong on every account.

He is not a good leadoff hitter, because he doesn't get on base enough. Jeter is much, much better.

He doesn't play great defense.

Florida was asking for a ton= Cano or Wang. He's not cheap and he's overpaid.
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby luckygehrig » Thu Dec 01, 2005 3:47 pm

cannonarm21 wrote:Is it based on lack of talent they have to trade away, or do you feel they have a major move up their sleeve that they will announce next week? I cannot see them staying put this off season.

I defintely don't think its a lack of talent. It's just a lack of willing to trade that talent away. Cano and Wang aren't going anywhere as the Twins and Marlins have already been told. A deal will have to be made for a CF because I just don't see Johnny Damon in stripes next year. It's still only December so there's plenty of time for some blockbusters.
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby BronXBombers51 » Thu Dec 01, 2005 4:21 pm

cannonarm21 wrote:I have been really surprised by the lack of rumors and activity surrounding the Yankees. Usually this time of year they are involved in every rumor possible.

Is it based on lack of talent they have to trade away, or do you feel they have a major move up their sleeve that they will announce next week? I cannot see them staying put this off season.


It's because they aren't operating like fools anymore. No more chasing the likes of Jaret Wright or Pavano. No more signing old/injury-prone players to long-term contracts. No more trading away young talent for overvalued players.

They aren't going to make a big move. IMO, they'll make a few little deals to shore up the bullpen, and accquire a cheap CF such as Jason Micahels or Endy Chavez. That's about it. And I am fine with that. There isn't anything good enough to chase this offseason. Finally they are learning that if the situation is like that, they should stay out of the bidding wars.

I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.


Agree 100% with blankman here. Pierre is extremely overrated. I do not want him on the Yankees
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Postby Minor League Skilz » Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:14 pm

Did anyone see today's Daily news? It looks like the Marlins have come way down in their expectations for Pierre. They said it might only take Henn and Proctor. http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/58166.htm

Now Proctor was gaining Torre's trust a bit at the end of the year and has good stuff, but we have seen him get shelled many times and he has control issues. Henn is what, 24? He could turn it around, but he wasn't impressive in his few starts last year.

I am basing all of this on the assumption that we are starting the year with Bubba in CF (and thus won't get the defensive situational hitting CF we all want), but I think Juan Pierre is enough of an upgrade over Bubba that it is worth not trying to develop Henn. Even if Pierre falters batting lead off, he could bat 9th. He can bunt and has speed. Is Bubba's arm THAT much better than Pierre, to justify not getting Pierre in our lineup. Pierre has a rep for being a great team mate and clubhouse guy. And for a team who doesn't want to take a chance on a head case like Milton Bradley, Pierre would probably add to the team chemistry.
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby cannonarm21 » Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:17 pm

blankman wrote:
cannonarm21 wrote:I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.


I'm sorry, but these statements are wrong on every account.

He is not a good leadoff hitter, because he doesn't get on base enough. Jeter is much, much better.

He doesn't play great defense.

Florida was asking for a ton= Cano or Wang. He's not cheap and he's overpaid.


umm..
Jim Edmonds career fielding pct% .990
Andruw Jones .990
Juan Pierre .989
that't pretty good company

While I agree he doesn't have Jeter's on bas pct%, he makes their overall lineup better with Jeter moving down a spot. He has gone over 200 hits 4 or 5 times in his career

And you may need to look back at Pierre's SB's if I am wrong on EVERY account.

Oh and like I said in my original post..they will not have to give up much..as you may now be realizing
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby WharfRat » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:54 pm

cannonarm21 wrote:
blankman wrote:
cannonarm21 wrote:I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.


I'm sorry, but these statements are wrong on every account.

He is not a good leadoff hitter, because he doesn't get on base enough. Jeter is much, much better.

He doesn't play great defense.

Florida was asking for a ton= Cano or Wang. He's not cheap and he's overpaid.


umm..
Jim Edmonds career fielding pct% .990
Andruw Jones .990
Juan Pierre .989
that't pretty good company

While I agree he doesn't have Jeter's on bas pct%, he makes their overall lineup better with Jeter moving down a spot. He has gone over 200 hits 4 or 5 times in his career

And you may need to look back at Pierre's SB's if I am wrong on EVERY account.

Oh and like I said in my original post..they will not have to give up much..as you may now be realizing


OK...Fielding percentage = amusingly bad for quantifying defensive ability. Saying Pierre plays great defense is kind've a joke.

He makes their lineup better by getting on base less? Not sure I follow your logic.

200 hits is only part of the game. If that's all you're going by, then you're overrating him.

He steals a lot, but also tends to get caught a lot. So even that is a risky proposition, although his % was better last year.

He's not a bad player, but don't overrate the guy.
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Re: Question for Yankee fans..

Postby BronXBombers51 » Sat Dec 03, 2005 12:11 am

cannonarm21 wrote:
blankman wrote:
cannonarm21 wrote:I for one cannot see why they don't go after after Pierre. An outstanding leadoff hitter, who can steal bases and play great defense. Seems like a perfect fit, and they probably wouldn't have to give up too much considering Florida's fire sale.


I'm sorry, but these statements are wrong on every account.

He is not a good leadoff hitter, because he doesn't get on base enough. Jeter is much, much better.

He doesn't play great defense.

Florida was asking for a ton= Cano or Wang. He's not cheap and he's overpaid.


umm..
Jim Edmonds career fielding pct% .990
Andruw Jones .990
Juan Pierre .989
that't pretty good company


Fielding percentage is a terrible stat. It proves very little as to who is and isn't a good defender. Pierre ranks in the lower half (almost at the very bottom) in the league in range factor and zone rating. He is not a good fielder, and his arm is terribly weak.

While I agree he doesn't have Jeter's on bas pct%, he makes their overall lineup better with Jeter moving down a spot. He has gone over 200 hits 4 or 5 times in his career


How does the lineup get better by putting a guy with a crappy OBP in the leadoff spot over a guy with a very good OBP? Pierre may get hits but what's the use if he doesn't get on base?

And you may need to look back at Pierre's SB's if I am wrong on EVERY account.


Pierre has speed but his SB numbers are a product of his opportunities. He was allowed to run freely in Florida and he got alot of steals. What isn't seen, is that he also got caught alot as well. He won't post the same type of SB numbers in New York.

Oh and like I said in my original post..they will not have to give up much..as you may now be realizing


This is the only part that appeals about Pierre now. He's severely overrated but Henn and Proctor is a fairly low asking price for a guy we could rent for a season. Basically everything that WharfRat said is correct about Pierre's ability though.
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