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Postby PlayingWithFire » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:40 pm

mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Batista only had 3 more blown save last year. I am not saying he's a great closer but he's very much serviceable and there are better places to spend money than on a closer w/o much of a track record.

Now if they had got Wagner instead I wouldn't be complaining as much now.

But track record is the key, Don't talk potential with me. [/b]Ryan is 30[/b]

Ryan is more likely to improve at his age, Wagner isn't.



compare Ryan with Wagner is like comparing Mike Cameron with Vlad Guerrerro
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Postby RynMan » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:40 pm

mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Batista only had 3 more blown save last year. I am not saying he's a great closer but he's very much serviceable and there are better places to spend money than on a closer w/o much of a track record.

Now if they had got Wagner instead I wouldn't be complaining as much now.

But track record is the key, Don't talk potential with me. [/b]Ryan is 30[/b]

Ryan is more likely to improve at his age, Wagner isn't.


I'd rather have Ryan than Wagner.
Cheaper and younger, just as good.
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:42 pm

go_jays_go wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
go_jays_go wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


Mweir would say differently. :-b


Batista wasn't the answer.

The Jays signed Ryan knowing that they had to give him a lot. THey had to show that Toronto was going to contend and wasn't afraid to give money to some free agents. They had to show that we are pushing for contention. Critics don't even know if Ryan will falter. If he does amazing, we will look pretty good. I also think that there is going to be a deal with Batista, because theres not really much room for him and they must have thought something out before signing Ryan.

Thats just my .02


They need a number 2 starter and a power bat wayyyy more than 3 more saves from Ryan


They still have enough for either Burnett or Giles.

From what I've read, they still have enough to get both, but I'm not sure they will go after Burnett if he pushes his request past Halladay's salary.
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Postby RynMan » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:46 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:compare Ryan with Wagner is like comparing Mike Cameron with Vlad Guerrerro


You can't be serious....
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:46 pm

go_jays_go wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Giles? Are you dreaming? 8-o


No. Toronto is one of the places Giles is interested in. ;-7


hmm....let's put it that way, there is a better chance that Darcy Tucker will score 30 goals this season than Toronto has a shot at Giles ;-7


This is the beginning of an ESPN insider article right now, I wish I was able to read the entire thing.

ESPN wrote:The Blue Jays have made "significant inroads" in their pursuit of free-agent outfielder Brian Giles, according to Jeff Blair, and hope to lock up either Giles or A.J. Burnett in the next week. They want to sign both players, and have the money to do so.

So if Toronto manages to pull off a Burnett signing, their front line would look something like this, on paper
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:47 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
RynMan wrote:If the Jays overpaid for Ryan, then what did the Met's do with Wagner?


not as much, Wagner is proven
What exactly do you define as "proven?" :-?
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:48 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:YES!!!

Carl Pavano 2004

Explain, exactly how the Jays are supposed to get a player of Ryan's caliber then?
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Postby mweir145 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:51 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Batista only had 3 more blown save last year. I am not saying he's a great closer but he's very much serviceable and there are better places to spend money than on a closer w/o much of a track record.

Now if they had got Wagner instead I wouldn't be complaining as much now.

But track record is the key, Don't talk potential with me. [/b]Ryan is 30[/b]

Ryan is more likely to improve at his age, Wagner isn't.



compare Ryan with Wagner is like comparing Mike Cameron with Vlad Guerrerro

Are you serious? Maybe you should take a look at their stats again, over the last 2-3 years..
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Postby Yoda » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:56 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Batista only had 3 more blown save last year. I am not saying he's a great closer but he's very much serviceable and there are better places to spend money than on a closer w/o much of a track record.

Now if they had got Wagner instead I wouldn't be complaining as much now.

But track record is the key, Don't talk potential with me. [/b]Ryan is 30[/b]

Ryan is more likely to improve at his age, Wagner isn't.



compare Ryan with Wagner is like comparing Mike Cameron with Vlad Guerrerro


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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:57 pm

mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
mweir145 wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Batista only had 3 more blown save last year. I am not saying he's a great closer but he's very much serviceable and there are better places to spend money than on a closer w/o much of a track record.

Now if they had got Wagner instead I wouldn't be complaining as much now.

But track record is the key, Don't talk potential with me. [/b]Ryan is 30[/b]

Ryan is more likely to improve at his age, Wagner isn't.



compare Ryan with Wagner is like comparing Mike Cameron with Vlad Guerrerro

Are you serious? Maybe you should take a look at their stats again, over the last 2-3 years..


PWF, I think your the one that's nuts on this one.

I don't see why you think Ryan is so bad. It's nowhere near comparing Vlad and Mike Cameron. That is by far the worst comparison that I've ever heard someone say.

As RynMan said, I'd rather have Ryan. He's younger and I think he'll be the better pitcher.
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