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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:44 pm

RocketsDWM wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


Mweir would say differently. :-b


Batista wasn't the answer.

The Jays signed Ryan knowing that they had to give him a lot. THey had to show that Toronto was going to contend and wasn't afraid to give money to some free agents. They had to show that we are pushing for contention. Critics don't even know if Ryan will falter. If he does amazing, we will look pretty good. I also think that there is going to be a deal with Batista, because theres not really much room for him and they must have thought something out before signing Ryan.

Thats just my .02
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:50 pm

go_jays_go wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


Mweir would say differently. :-b


Batista wasn't the answer.

The Jays signed Ryan knowing that they had to give him a lot. THey had to show that Toronto was going to contend and wasn't afraid to give money to some free agents. They had to show that we are pushing for contention. Critics don't even know if Ryan will falter. If he does amazing, we will look pretty good. I also think that there is going to be a deal with Batista, because theres not really much room for him and they must have thought something out before signing Ryan.

Thats just my .02


They need a number 2 starter and a power bat wayyyy more than 3 more saves from Ryan
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:51 pm

I know if I were the Blue Jays, I would rather have $10million invested in a proven hitter or SP before a 1 year 30+ year old closer...
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Postby bdrotoronto » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:56 pm

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PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


mweir might disagree with you on batista :-b .

A LOT of people would disagree with that assessment of Batista. :-[ :-P

He was totally undependable, and even our catcher Greg Zaun was visibly frustrated dealing with him towards the end of last year.

Batista's salary is quite high too, $4.7M a year or so I think, so he will definitely be moved. When he does get moved, it will ultimately like paying about $4.6M/year to upgrade from Batista to Ryan, which is a bit much, but starts to seem like peanuts when you think of the scheme of the Rogers empire. Ryan I also suspect will be 100X more dependable than Batista, which is what you want out of a closer.

Bottom line re: 'overpaying' is that the Jays have become a team that needs to overpay guys to come here, so if they have the budget for it now, they may as well spend it rather than get left at the altar consistently like they've been the last few seasons.
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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:57 pm

PlayingWithFire wrote:
go_jays_go wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


Mweir would say differently. :-b


Batista wasn't the answer.

The Jays signed Ryan knowing that they had to give him a lot. THey had to show that Toronto was going to contend and wasn't afraid to give money to some free agents. They had to show that we are pushing for contention. Critics don't even know if Ryan will falter. If he does amazing, we will look pretty good. I also think that there is going to be a deal with Batista, because theres not really much room for him and they must have thought something out before signing Ryan.

Thats just my .02


They need a number 2 starter and a power bat wayyyy more than 3 more saves from Ryan


They still have enough for either Burnett or Giles.
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Postby RAmst23 » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:08 pm

It's easy for us to sit back and say a GM overpays for a player because all we look at are numbers. BJ Ryan, I'm sure, didn't have Tornoto on his short list of destinations. Not a contender, in a tough division, and not the most desirable cities (Hey I like Tornoto, it's just not in the tropics).

Anyway, Tornoto is realisitically going to need more than a solid 1B and another starter to reach the play-offs in this division. But BJ Ryan is a start.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:09 pm

go_jays_go wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:
go_jays_go wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:I thought Batista did a fine job as a closer and they should pursuit a power hitter at 1B(why did let Delgado go in the first place?) or a SP(Burnett)


Mweir would say differently. :-b


Batista wasn't the answer.

The Jays signed Ryan knowing that they had to give him a lot. THey had to show that Toronto was going to contend and wasn't afraid to give money to some free agents. They had to show that we are pushing for contention. Critics don't even know if Ryan will falter. If he does amazing, we will look pretty good. I also think that there is going to be a deal with Batista, because theres not really much room for him and they must have thought something out before signing Ryan.

Thats just my .02


They need a number 2 starter and a power bat wayyyy more than 3 more saves from Ryan


They still have enough for either Burnett or Giles.


Giles? Are you dreaming? 8-o
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Postby Mookie4ever » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:19 pm

BJ Ryan closing games and Batista as the potential set up guy makes Toronto a much more attractive place for FA starters.

Bud Selig and anybody else criticizing this deal have to either move us to a different division or put in a salary cap before they should be allowed to criticize. We need to compete with the evil empire and the evil empire wanna-bes up in Beantown - how can we do this without overpaying for a few guys.

Our recent history is of developing good young talent like Jeff Kent, Cezar Izturis, Michael Young, Chris Carpenter etc and then seeing them go off and be all-stars for other teams. Well no more! Now we take other teams' good young talent.
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Postby George_Foreman » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:24 pm

You tell 'em, Mookie! :-D

Here is an interesting article from Hardball Times discussing the signing. They actually conclude that it isn't too bad a deal, considering salary inflation and his likely future performance. Good read.
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Postby go_jays_go » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:41 pm

George_Foreman wrote:You tell 'em, Mookie! :-D

Here is an interesting article from Hardball Times discussing the signing. They actually conclude that it isn't too bad a deal, considering salary inflation and his likely future performance. Good read.


Thanks for the interesting read. ;-)

PlayingWithFire wrote:Giles? Are you dreaming? 8-o


No. Toronto is one of the places Giles is interested in. ;-7
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