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Postby Apollo » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:10 am

I think Pavano is the ridiculous one. He wants out? He should be writing thank-you letters to the Yanks every day for that contract...
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Postby Fantasy Guru » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:43 pm

It seems Delgado was used a bit...

Big numbers in his contract, but with it being mostly backloaded.. the Marlins knew what they were doing. Lure him in for a year of cheap production, and then deal him away.
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Postby RocketsDWM » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:04 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:They can be a huge distraction on team. I can recall Nomar being cited as being difficult in the clubhouse and unhappy and forced his way out of town.


Yeah, the Red Sox were really completely and totally distracted by Nomar in 2004. They didn't accomplish a damn thing because of that huge distraction.

Nomar successfully forced his way out of town and into a contract worth $3.5 million less than what he was earning in Boston, not counting the playoff $ he missed the last two years.


They traded Nomar at the deadline and the distraction was gone. Once he was gone, the team was then able to win the World Series. If he was on that team for the whole yr, not sure it would be the same result.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:42 pm

RocketsDWM wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:They can be a huge distraction on team. I can recall Nomar being cited as being difficult in the clubhouse and unhappy and forced his way out of town.


Yeah, the Red Sox were really completely and totally distracted by Nomar in 2004. They didn't accomplish a damn thing because of that huge distraction.

Nomar successfully forced his way out of town and into a contract worth $3.5 million less than what he was earning in Boston, not counting the playoff $ he missed the last two years.


They traded Nomar at the deadline and the distraction was gone. Once he was gone, the team was then able to win the World Series. If he was on that team for the whole yr, not sure it would be the same result.


They were in first place when he was traded. Couldn't have been too much of a distraction. He didn't distract them at all this year and they failed to win the World Series.
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Postby DK » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:24 pm

Phatferd wrote:The Marlins signed Delgado last year and now all of a sudden his contract is a burden? Gimme a break, you signed him for that price!


Ah, but here lies the problem. Delgado also signed for that price. He knew what he was getting into. Heavily backloaded contracts are made for this very reason (not always, but in many cases). Some of the blame must also go to Delgado. It's not as if the Marlins signed him for that type of contract, and after one year thought "Wait a minute..."

It's smart business. Unless, of course, they are stuck with his contract, then it backfires. Although they still get the production out of him.
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Postby RocketsDWM » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:01 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:They can be a huge distraction on team. I can recall Nomar being cited as being difficult in the clubhouse and unhappy and forced his way out of town.


Yeah, the Red Sox were really completely and totally distracted by Nomar in 2004. They didn't accomplish a damn thing because of that huge distraction.

Nomar successfully forced his way out of town and into a contract worth $3.5 million less than what he was earning in Boston, not counting the playoff $ he missed the last two years.


They traded Nomar at the deadline and the distraction was gone. Once he was gone, the team was then able to win the World Series. If he was on that team for the whole yr, not sure it would be the same result.


They were in first place when he was traded. Couldn't have been too much of a distraction. He didn't distract them at all this year and they failed to win the World Series.


He was a cancer in the clubhouse - the game that he refused to play in vs the Yanks was the last straw. That team wasnt going to win the World Series with him. If he wasnt that much of a distraction, why trade a Boston icon?
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Sun Nov 20, 2005 10:56 pm

RocketsDWM wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:
GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
RocketsDWM wrote:They can be a huge distraction on team. I can recall Nomar being cited as being difficult in the clubhouse and unhappy and forced his way out of town.


Yeah, the Red Sox were really completely and totally distracted by Nomar in 2004. They didn't accomplish a damn thing because of that huge distraction.

Nomar successfully forced his way out of town and into a contract worth $3.5 million less than what he was earning in Boston, not counting the playoff $ he missed the last two years.


They traded Nomar at the deadline and the distraction was gone. Once he was gone, the team was then able to win the World Series. If he was on that team for the whole yr, not sure it would be the same result.


They were in first place when he was traded. Couldn't have been too much of a distraction. He didn't distract them at all this year and they failed to win the World Series.


He was a cancer in the clubhouse - the game that he refused to play in vs the Yanks was the last straw. That team wasnt going to win the World Series with him. If he wasnt that much of a distraction, why trade a Boston icon?


He did not refuse to play in that game. Francona just never put him in. Was he moping around and sitting on the bench while the rest of the team was up cheering? Yes. But he never refused to play. That's not Nomar's way. He's not the type of clubhouse cancer that a guy like Gary Sheffield or Milton Bradley would be, so let's not throw him into that category.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:12 am

RocketsDWM wrote:He was a cancer in the clubhouse - the game that he refused to play in vs the Yanks was the last straw. That team wasnt going to win the World Series with him. If he wasnt that much of a distraction, why trade a Boston icon?


Maybe because he was in the last year of his contract, had rejected a 4 year $60 million extension the prior winter, and his performance, both at the plate and the field was declining rapidly because of injuries?

Furthermore, the trade allowed the Red Sox to shore up a major weakness at two positions, SS and 1B.

If he was such an icon, why did the Bosox spend all the previous winter trying to trade him and get A-Rod?
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Postby Jack-In-A-Box » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:43 am

The one good thing going for Delgado that may keep him a Marlin- if thats what he wants- is that FL doesn't have an income tax. And Delgado has a clause that if he is traded that either the Marlins or the team traded to will have to pay his income tax if moved. Marlins may have backloaded his contract but they also made it very hard to move him because not only is any team getting him gonna have to pay his huge salary they would have to pay his taxes. Not to mention his no trade clause. Baseball needs a salary cap in a HUGE way. Overpaying for players will never end and these long contracts that are backloaded will never end. Teams like NYY, Bos are ruining baseball for smaller market teams. Teams can't keep players because someone is willing to pay Pedro type money for a Pavano type player. Contracts are out of control. I'm just glad to see that unlimited $$ can't buy them championships.
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Postby BritSox » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:10 am

It's not just the NYYs of this world that are overpaying for mediocre pitching. AZ and Cincy both paid out big deals for bad pitchers last offseason. In many ways, the bloated free agent market is caused by the minnesotas, milwaukees, clevelands being able to lock up their young talent, meaning fewer good players reach FA each year.

It's ridiculous to blame the Big AL East clubs for overbidding in auctions they're not even involved with. No-one is responsible for small-market clubs making offers they can't really afford but them. Indeed, everything I've read indicated that the Fish signed the deal knowing full well they would have to trade the guy if they didn't make the postseason. A hard salary cap might pull the Yanks and Sox back level with say, Baltimore or the White Sox, but it does nothing to close the gap between these teams and the KCs and Tampas.
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