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Postby RocketsDWM » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:43 pm

This might have already been mentioned (it was in a previous thread) but how about a battle to see who is the "hottest chick" (from the thread)?
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Postby JTWood » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:45 am

Coppermine wrote:Seriously, Papa John sucks!

"Better Ingredients. Better Pizza. Papa Johns."

WHO DOES YOUR MARKETING, MORON.

Oh wait, he obviously does... since he has to be in his own commercials.

He's from what, Iowa? What does he know about pizza? Is he even a Papa or is that a big ruse too?

Now don't get me wrong, i like the garlic dipping sauce you get with Papa John's pizza, but still, their commercials blow :-°

Yeah, their commercials do suck hard. And about the slogan, did you know that PJs actually fought in court to use that slogan? At one point, they were almost forced to stop running ads, to change all of their flyers, and to remove all of their roadside signs, but they won out in the end - in the Supreme Court! Seriously...

"Better ingredients. Better pizza."

Papa John's claims its pizza is "better" than Pizza Hut's. It's a claim Pizza Hut didn't take lightly. In fact, the company's lawyers filed a federal false advertising lawsuit against Papa John's.

This on-going battle actually began in 1998. But the U.S. Supreme Court recently put this case to rest, turning down Pizza Hut's appeal.

The problem stemmed from Papa John's famous slogan, coupled with a national advertising campaign. One of the ads stated Papa John's "won big time" in taste tests over Pizza Hut. Other ads in the campaign alleged Papa John's sauce and dough were better than Pizza Hut's because they were made with fresh tomatoes and filtered water.

That ad campaign prompted Pizza Hut to file the false advertising lawsuit. The company's lawyers said they had scientific evidence proving Papa John's ingredients didn't affect the pizza's taste.

Initially, a jury sided with Pizza Hut agreeing that Papa John's claims of better sauce and dough were false or misleading. The judge ordered Papa John's to stop using the "Better ingredients. Better pizza" slogan and awarded Pizza Hut $467,619 in damages.

Jurors in that trial were asked if the ads were likely to deceive the consumer. But a federal appeals court later said the jurors were never asked if consumers relied on Papa John's "better" claims when deciding what pizza to buy. So last September, the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the verdict and ruled in favor of Papa John's.

There's heavy competition in the pizza world, especially between Pizza Hut and Papa John's. Pizza Hut maintains the number one position, followed by Domino's and then Papa John's.

But the heated competition is between Pizza Hut and Papa John's. Apparently, their rivalry is so fierce, Pizza Hut reserves any phone numbers that spell out the letters P-A-P-A...just so Papa John's can't get them.

The better-best argument also affects the results of this case. You've seen commercials where a company claims to have the "best" thingamajig. "Best" can be used without having to backup your statement. When you use "better," you "better" have proof to substantiate your claim.

Papa John's adamantly denies Pizza Hut's false advertising charges. The company's lawyers maintain the statements made in the ad campaign aren't false, but are merely statements of personal taste.

Lawyers for Pizza Hut said Papa John's ads violate federal law. They claim even without evidence that customers relied on the "Better ingredients. Better pizza" slogan to base their pizza-buying decision, Papa John's ad campaign is deceptive. Pizza Hut execs say the decision is unfair to both consumers and responsible advertisers.

The hatred between the two companies stems from the fact that the guy you see in the commercials for Papa Johns was once a major shareholder at Pizza Hut. Apparently, he thought he could do it better, so he left and started his own chain.
The motivation behind the lawsuit was probably the fact that Pizza Hut co-founder Frank Carney had become a Papa John's franchisee in 1994. By 2001 he owned 133 locations, with his franchise based in Houston, Texas.
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Postby logan » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:48 pm

maybe that's why pizza hut sucks now and papa john's just sucks period. they need to put the two back together and make one good pizza again.
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Postby blankman » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:04 pm

logan wrote:maybe that's why pizza hut sucks now and papa john's just sucks period. they need to put the two back together and make one good pizza again.


Pizza Hut is awesome. Something must be wrong with you. :-°
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Postby logan » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:17 pm

it used to be great. i just don't care for it anymore. maybe it's just the places around here. it's no where near as good as it was when i was a kid.
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:50 pm

battle of the members/the hottest chick would both be great ;-D
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Postby StlSluggers » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:52 pm

curious_george_43545 wrote:battle of the members

What is the battle of the members?
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:55 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
curious_george_43545 wrote:battle of the members

What is the battle of the members?


battle of the cafe members, sorry
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Postby StlSluggers » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:57 pm

curious_george_43545 wrote:
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curious_george_43545 wrote:battle of the members

What is the battle of the members?


battle of the cafe members, sorry

I don't know how that would work, but in the past, ideas like that tend to be discouraged because they set one member above the others.
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Postby curious_george_43545 » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:03 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
curious_george_43545 wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
curious_george_43545 wrote:battle of the members

What is the battle of the members?


battle of the cafe members, sorry

I don't know how that would work, but in the past, ideas like that tend to be discouraged because they set one member above the others.


yeah I kinda figured that and realize it most likely won't happen. Still would like to see it though.
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