Carpenter wins NL Cy Young

[kimchi_chigae]

With Carpenter winning the Cy, one thing is for sure. He will be the most overvalued pitcher going into the 06 draft. I will avoid him like the plague.

I don't quite understand this. He has always had the talent but was never able to put it together, mostly cause of injuries. Granted expecting a repeat of this year is a bad idea but his 2004 year shows that he isn't a fluke.

he's not even close to being a fluke. i'd be more scared about drafting dontrelle willis than carpenter next year. he's the sure thing. even in 04 he had a great season, and that was after he was out all 03.

his august and september in 04 look like

august:
25.1IP 27K 2.13ERA 0.97WHIP

september:
22.1IP 18K 2.42ERA 1.07WHIP

pretty impressive, huh?

[BronXBombers51]

With Carpenter winning the Cy, one thing is for sure. He will be the most overvalued pitcher going into the 06 draft. I will avoid him like the plague.

I don't quite understand this. He has always had the talent but was never able to put it together, mostly cause of injuries. Granted expecting a repeat of this year is a bad idea but his 2004 year shows that he isn't a fluke.

he's not even close to being a fluke. i'd be more scared about drafting dontrelle willis than carpenter next year. he's the sure thing. even in 04 he had a great season, and that was after he was out all 03.

his august and september in 03 look like

august:
25.1IP 27K 2.13ERA 0.97WHIP

september:
22.1IP 18K 2.42ERA 1.07WHIP

pretty impressive, huh?

I won't be touching D-Train either.

[Yoda]

With Carpenter winning the Cy, one thing is for sure. He will be the most overvalued pitcher going into the 06 draft. I will avoid him like the plague.

I don't quite understand this. He has always had the talent but was never able to put it together, mostly cause of injuries. Granted expecting a repeat of this year is a bad idea but his 2004 year shows that he isn't a fluke.

he's not even close to being a fluke. i'd be more scared about drafting dontrelle willis than carpenter next year. he's the sure thing. even in 04 he had a great season, and that was after he was out all 03.

his august and september in 03 look like

august:
25.1IP 27K 2.13ERA 0.97WHIP

september:
22.1IP 18K 2.42ERA 1.07WHIP

pretty impressive, huh?

I won't be touching D-Train either.

Exactly

[SaintsOfTheDiamond]

Clemens should have won it, but I'll take it. Now it's up to Pujols to make it a Cy/MVP sweep.

When Derek Lee should be getting it?

No, I completely agree. I think Lee deserves it more than anyone else hands down considering who he was surrounded by and the fact that he single handedly kept them withing any kind of sniffing distance of mediocrity most of the year IMO.

[baseball6791]

With Carpenter winning the Cy, one thing is for sure. He will be the most overvalued pitcher going into the 06 draft. I will avoid him like the plague.

I don't quite understand this. He has always had the talent but was never able to put it together, mostly cause of injuries. Granted expecting a repeat of this year is a bad idea but his 2004 year shows that he isn't a fluke.

he's not even close to being a fluke. i'd be more scared about drafting dontrelle willis than carpenter next year. he's the sure thing. even in 04 he had a great season, and that was after he was out all 03.

his august and september in 03 look like

august:
25.1IP 27K 2.13ERA 0.97WHIP

september:
22.1IP 18K 2.42ERA 1.07WHIP

pretty impressive, huh?

I won't be touching D-Train either.

Me too, I've seen both going as high as the 2nd round, Carp even in the back end of the first in some places, which is way to early for either of them.

[Apollo]

all three deserved to win. i think the AL should have given it's Cy Young to the NL to use.

See, I've heard this several times, but I don't know about this.

Best pitcher in the AL:

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231.2 IP, 180 H, 22 HR, 238 Ks, .210 BAA, 0.97 WHIP, 2.87 ERA.


Best pitchers in the NL:

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241.2 IP, 204 H, 18 HR, 213/51 K/BB, 231 BAA., 1.06 WHIP, . 2.83 ERA.
211.1 IP, 151 H, 11 HR, 185/62 K/BB, .198 BAA. 1.01 WHIP,  1.87 ERA.
236.1 IP, 213 H, 11 HR, 170/55 K/BB, .243 BAA. 1.13 WHIP,  2.63 ERA.


That AL pitcher is at least on par with any of the NL pitchers. More Ks, the only WHIP below 1, right up there in IP with the best of the NL--and all while not having the pitcher to strike out.

Of course, that AL pitcher didn't WIN his Cy Young Award...

It's funny that Santana would have been my choice for the best pitcher in either league, and didn't get a Cy.

[Yoda]

all three deserved to win. i think the AL should have given it's Cy Young to the NL to use.

See, I've heard this several times, but I don't know about this.

Best pitcher in the AL:

Code: Select all

231.2 IP, 180 H, 22 HR, 238 Ks, .210 BAA, 0.97 WHIP, 2.87 ERA.


Best pitchers in the NL:

Code: Select all

241.2 IP, 204 H, 18 HR, 213/51 K/BB, 231 BAA., 1.06 WHIP, . 2.83 ERA.
211.1 IP, 151 H, 11 HR, 185/62 K/BB, .198 BAA. 1.01 WHIP,  1.87 ERA.
236.1 IP, 213 H, 11 HR, 170/55 K/BB, .243 BAA. 1.13 WHIP,  2.63 ERA.


That AL pitcher is at least on par with any of the NL pitchers. More Ks, the only WHIP below 1, right up there in IP with the best of the NL--and all while not having the pitcher to strike out.

Of course, that AL pitcher didn't WIN his Cy Young Award...

It's funny that Santana would have been my choice for the best pitcher in either league, and didn't get a Cy.

Actually Clemens was the best pitcher in either league and didn't win the Cy. What is your point?

[HOOTIE]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/s ... id=2219837

Nice take by Stark.

[George_Foreman]

hmm. i think of carp as something of a "compromise candidate"

[Apollo]

Actually Clemens was the best pitcher in either league and didn't win the Cy. What is your point?

Ouch, the hostility.

My point was just that I've heard a bunch of people say "It's too bad the AL can't give their Cy to the NL, because nobody in the AL deserved it," and I didn't think that was true. That's all.

As to whether Clemens was the best pitcher in the league or not, that's debatable. He was definitely the best in the NL, I'll agree. But Santana had a better WHIP even though Clemens got a free out every 2 1/2 innings. The fact that Clemens couldn't put up numbers as good as Santana's his last few years in the AL suggests to me that the change in leagues made a big difference for him, and that in Santana's position he wouldn't have put up the same numbers. So I say Santana did a better job given the circumstances. But yes, I'll agree the wrong person won both awards.