bronxxbomber wrote:i like crisp a bunch too, but i think this is the best he can do.
I don't know. I've read a lot of reports that have him down as 'improving'. I reckon there might be a few 20/20 years in him.....
He might also benefit from his lineup getting better. Cleveland's lineup is young and definitely improving. Sizemore, Crisp, Peralta, Hafner and Vmart is a great top 5.
Actually, Crisp is underachieving in one area....steals. He is one of the fastest if not the fastest runner on the team. He needs to work on reading pitchers and getting better jumps. I could see him switching places in the lineup with Sizemore next year and if he can be a little more patient, he could up his SB's considerably.
I am pretty happy with his power and average. No reason, Coco does not work his way up to 30-40 SB's on a consistent basis hopefully starting next year....
He is not overrated because he is still young and has improved his stats each year. His plate discipline is going int he right direction and he has added power without sacrificing his average. Also, he plays good defense and is well liked by his teammates and manager.
Because he has exceeded his stat projections for the past two years, you can't call the guy overrated. Remember, he missed a good deal of time this past year and still exceeded his overall stats from last year. His final numbers would have been all the more impressive had he played a full year. Did I mention he hits at the top of the lineups in one of the best young lineups in baseball?
stumpak wrote:I would say that he is overrated. How are his stats any different from the typical Randy Winn year? No one gets too excited about him.
oh, and BTW, people in San Francisco are VERY excited about Randy Winn right now. Being in Seattle really limited his numbers and he showed inthe second half last year what he can really do in a hitters park. He was a top 3 hitter the last couple months of the year last year- that's all of baseball! If you are lucky enough to get a Winn (present day) or a Coco in your OF, consider yourself fortunate....
Amazing, everyone thought Winn was waiver wire fodder in August and now he beingheld up as underrated. Look at Winn's history--in terms of SB, HR and BA numbers he is remarkably consistent, including his composite numbers for last year. While I am sure there will all sorts of people who project his two months in SF over a full season, the fact is that there is nothing to indicate that he will do any better than .300 and 15-20 in SBs and 10-15 in HRs. Nice numbers, but if I am in anything less than a 12 team league I am not getting so excited about having that sort of production from my 3rd OF. He has been a .750 OPS guy for so long that his SF numbers are a clear abberration.
As for Crisp, watch this board throgh March and watch the fantasy magazines as well. I guarantee you that he will be so prominent on everyone's "breakout" list that by March there will be at least one person in every league that takes it as gospel truth that he will increase power, turn in monster SB numbers, etc. Sure this could happen, but there will be a couple of people in every league that will draft him like he has a 95% chance of turning in an Abreu season. Ergo, he will be overvalued.
This sort of thing happens with a few guys every year, and I think Crisp will be one of those guys this season. Did anyone play in a league last year where Bonderman did not go ahead of where his 2005 numbers put him?
stumpak wrote:As for Crisp, watch this board throgh March and watch the fantasy magazines as well. I guarantee you that he will be so prominent on everyone's "breakout" list that by March there will be at least one person in every league that takes it as gospel truth that he will increase power, turn in monster SB numbers, etc. Sure this could happen, but there will be a couple of people in every league that will draft him like he has a 95% chance of turning in an Abreu season. Ergo, he will be overvalued.
This sort of thing happens with a few guys every year, and I think Crisp will be one of those guys this season. Did anyone play in a league last year where Bonderman did not go ahead of where his 2005 numbers put him?
We'll see but he put up pretty much the same numbers last year and was ignored.
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by RynMan » Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:34 am 
