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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:44 pm

davidmarver wrote:How about if we use interleague play run totals? That way it gives the NL teams a DH (like a pinch hitter late in the game since closers dont face pitchers).

These are '04 figures because that was my argument at the time (this was at the beginning of this season that this argument occured).

Boston: 18 games, 99 RS
Baltimore: 18 games, 70 RS
Toronto: 18 games, 73 RS
Tampa: 18 games, 95 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 337 RS = 4.68 R/G

San Fran: 18 games, 106 RS
Colorado: 18 games, 103 RS
LA: 18 games, 83 RS
Arizona: 18 games, 71 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 363 RS = 5.04 R/G

Don't worry...those NL pinch hitters are worthless out there. ;-7


You're using a teams 18 games (11% of season as a argument?
The 3 AL divisions outscore the 3 NL divisions all the time. A AL closer faces in reality, a tougher batting lineup. NL pinch hitters don't = a AL DH, not even close.
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Postby Yoda » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:45 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:My opinion...

Theo is a moron. There is no reason to leave this job. I want to see him go somewhere with a payroll of $100 million less, and try to win. Then we'll see how much he complains about Boston.

$1.5 million to be GM of the Boston Red Sox? Sign the freakin' deal Theo.


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Postby bigken117 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:58 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:My opinion...

Theo is a moron. There is no reason to leave this job. I want to see him go somewhere with a payroll of $100 million less, and try to win. Then we'll see how much he complains about Boston.

$1.5 million to be GM of the Boston Red Sox? Sign the freakin' deal Theo.



sure there was, he hated his boss. If you hated your boss and you knew you could get whatever you wanted if you quit, would you do it? Sure you would. So did Theo. And that's why Cashman resigned with NY. :-D
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:07 pm

bigken117 wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:My opinion...

Theo is a moron. There is no reason to leave this job. I want to see him go somewhere with a payroll of $100 million less, and try to win. Then we'll see how much he complains about Boston.

$1.5 million to be GM of the Boston Red Sox? Sign the freakin' deal Theo.



sure there was, he hated his boss. If you hated your boss and you knew you could get whatever you wanted if you quit, would you do it? Sure you would. So did Theo. And that's why Cashman resigned with NY. :-D


How can he blame the Red Sox though? They offered him $1.5 million. It's one thing to just decide he doesn't want to do it anymore. Don't whine about it though. The Red Sox did nothing wrong. If he thinks Lucchino is bad, let him come sign under Steinbrenner...he'll committ suicide in less than a week. He probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity that he did if it weren't for Lucchino.
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Postby bigken117 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:22 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:How can he blame the Red Sox though? They offered him $1.5 million. It's one thing to just decide he doesn't want to do it anymore. Don't whine about it though. The Red Sox did nothing wrong. If he thinks Lucchino is bad, let him come sign under Steinbrenner...he'll committ suicide in less than a week. He probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity that he did if it weren't for Lucchino.


He doesn't blame the Sox for anything. Or whined about anything. Theo will never be the bad guy here, no matter how the Boston Globe tries to spin and smear him. That was the money he was looking for. But when they undermined Theo's authority and accomplishments in the Sunday Globe, he had enough of him. I've never heard of George writing a column for the Post where he bashes his own GM.


As a Sox fan, I'm tremendously disappointed he left and wish Henry had the stones to fire Larry instead, but I commend him for salvaging his dignity and refusing the offer.
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Postby Strasil42 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:26 pm

rotterdam_82 wrote:
wrveres wrote:which of course leads to alot more one runs games now doesnt it .. ;-D


Any stats to back that up?

No, didn't think so........


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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:27 pm

bigken117 wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:How can he blame the Red Sox though? They offered him $1.5 million. It's one thing to just decide he doesn't want to do it anymore. Don't whine about it though. The Red Sox did nothing wrong. If he thinks Lucchino is bad, let him come sign under Steinbrenner...he'll committ suicide in less than a week. He probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity that he did if it weren't for Lucchino.


He doesn't blame the Sox for anything. Or whined about anything. Theo will never be the bad guy here, no matter how the Boston Globe tries to spin and smear him. That was the money he was looking for. But when they undermined Theo's authority and accomplishments in the Sunday Globe, he had enough of him. I've never heard of George writing a column for the Post where he bashes his own GM.


As a Sox fan, I'm tremendously disappointed he left and wish Henry had the stones to fire Larry instead, but I commend him for salvaging his dignity and refusing the offer.


I heard on the radio that he was blaming Boston and they are the reason he left. I guess I shouldn't put all my faith into talk radio though. !+)

What did the Globe say about him? I did not hear them undermine his moves. What happened?
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Postby wrveres » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:37 pm

Strasil42 wrote:
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wrveres wrote:which of course leads to alot more one runs games now doesnt it .. ;-D


Any stats to back that up?

No, didn't think so........


:-D

edited , since it has become apparent he cant take a joke .. :-t
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Postby wrveres » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:41 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:
bigken117 wrote:
BronXBombers51 wrote:How can he blame the Red Sox though? They offered him $1.5 million. It's one thing to just decide he doesn't want to do it anymore. Don't whine about it though. The Red Sox did nothing wrong. If he thinks Lucchino is bad, let him come sign under Steinbrenner...he'll committ suicide in less than a week. He probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity that he did if it weren't for Lucchino.


He doesn't blame the Sox for anything. Or whined about anything. Theo will never be the bad guy here, no matter how the Boston Globe tries to spin and smear him. That was the money he was looking for. But when they undermined Theo's authority and accomplishments in the Sunday Globe, he had enough of him. I've never heard of George writing a column for the Post where he bashes his own GM.


As a Sox fan, I'm tremendously disappointed he left and wish Henry had the stones to fire Larry instead, but I commend him for salvaging his dignity and refusing the offer.


I heard on the radio that he was blaming Boston and they are the reason he left. I guess I shouldn't put all my faith into talk radio though. !+)

What did the Globe say about him? I did not hear them undermine his moves. What happened?


the globe ran something about this today .. interesting read .. I didn't realize there were two diferent factions running the Sox, but they sure made it seem like it was a political or a Mafia type of fight. I know I wouldn't like to work in that type of atmosphere
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Postby Lofunzo » Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:02 am

davidmarver wrote:Imagine if the Yankees hadn't given Cashman his job back so quickly and had waited until Theo left Boston.

Imagine what he'd do with a 200+ million dollar budget.


I don't think that he'd do anything more. What exactly has he proven that he can do better than Cashman?? He has made his share of mistakes just like Cash.

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mweir145 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:Who cares? They just better stay away from Riccardi. He already said no to them once, I hope that he says no again.

That's the scary thought, I'm thinking Ricciardi could bolt... :-o


Nothing against JP, but i got to ask all, why is Depodesta the bad GM, and no one ever has said a word about JP, who like Paul, is a numbers guy.

JP's record

78-84
86-76
67-94
80-82

That's much worse then DePodestas record in LA. Why does everyone hate Paul, yet i don't recall ever seeing a bad word about JP anywhere ever.

Well, don't the Dodgers have much more to work with than the Jays, as well as having much higher expectations?

And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


But I thought that the NL West was better than the AL East. :-?

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davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?


Exactly.

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HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?


Yes it was. But they stopped with that argument after someone posted some almost comical stats to compare the two. The NL west is a joke.


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The point was ... That all of the teams are competitive in the NL West. Outside of Colorado, Trevor Hoffman does not get to close against the annual doormats known as the Orioles, Rays and Jays


DH or no DH, here are the numbers:

Boston - .281
Tampa Bay - .274
Baltimore - .269
Toronto - .265

Colorado - .267
San Francisco - .261
Arizona - .256
Los Angeles - .253

So, which division has better hitters??

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BronXBombers51 wrote:How can he blame the Red Sox though? They offered him $1.5 million. It's one thing to just decide he doesn't want to do it anymore. Don't whine about it though. The Red Sox did nothing wrong. If he thinks Lucchino is bad, let him come sign under Steinbrenner...he'll committ suicide in less than a week. He probably wouldn't have even gotten the opportunity that he did if it weren't for Lucchino.


He doesn't blame the Sox for anything. Or whined about anything. Theo will never be the bad guy here, no matter how the Boston Globe tries to spin and smear him. That was the money he was looking for. But when they undermined Theo's authority and accomplishments in the Sunday Globe, he had enough of him. I've never heard of George writing a column for the Post where he bashes his own GM.


As a Sox fan, I'm tremendously disappointed he left and wish Henry had the stones to fire Larry instead, but I commend him for salvaging his dignity and refusing the offer.


Undermined?? He is 31 years old and had the best job in America. If he wanted to leave, he could have done so without a press conference. IMHO, it was obviously a power struggle between him and Lucchino but wasn't it Lucchino that got him the job in the first place?? How about not biting the hand that feeds you??

Sorry for the delay in responding to this. I haven't been around much. :-°
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