HOOTIE wrote: Pogotheostrich wrote: davidmarver wrote: HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.
Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?
Yes, because the NL West's record (without the Padres record included) had been better than the AL East's record (without the Yankees included) for quite some time since the comparison was Hoffman's opponents vs. Rivera's opponents. Once you add in the Padres and Yankees records, that's not the case.
Nice try at distorting my words though
Why would you look at win/loss records when comparing teams closers face? Wouldn't opponent's offense be a better tool?
Of course. Pitching is a big part of records, and pitching doesn't apply to closers, only batters.
Yes, but pitching applies to how many runs an opposing team scores. The Drays get to jack up their run total against pathetic Orioles pitching as do the other teams in the division. That isn't taken into account when comparing runs...the pitching faced when those runs are scored.
How about if we use interleague play run totals? That way it gives the NL teams a DH (like a pinch hitter late in the game since closers dont face pitchers).
These are '04 figures because that was my argument at the time (this was at the beginning of this season that this argument occured).
Boston: 18 games, 99 RS
Baltimore: 18 games, 70 RS
Toronto: 18 games, 73 RS
Tampa: 18 games, 95 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 337 RS = 4.68 R/G
San Fran: 18 games, 106 RS
Colorado: 18 games, 103 RS
LA: 18 games, 83 RS
Arizona: 18 games, 71 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 363 RS = 5.04 R/G
Don't worry...those NL pinch hitters are worthless out there.