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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:39 pm

rotterdam_82 wrote:8-o

He didn't want Tejad for Giles straight up? The man is either clinicaly insane, or has some serious value issues.

And why the heck would you want to do that deal? The world has gone mad.......

:-D


Tejada is $47 next season. I am pretty much the only one that can afford him and wr will have to cut him. I don't even want Tejada b/c I have Lugo at ss for $2. I just happened to mention that I like Tejada and like mentioning in front of a used car salesman that you happen to like the colour of the '97 Impala, wr was all over me telling me to make an offer for the Impala.

Giles is a nice $12 and he is going to land me a top closer.
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Postby blankman » Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:42 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:
rotterdam_82 wrote:8-o

He didn't want Tejad for Giles straight up? The man is either clinicaly insane, or has some serious value issues.

And why the heck would you want to do that deal? The world has gone mad.......

:-D


Tejada is $47 next season. I am pretty much the only one that can afford him and wr will have to cut him. I don't even want Tejada b/c I have Lugo at ss for $2. I just happened to mention that I like Tejada and like mentioning in front of a used car salesman that you happen to like the colour of the '97 Impala, wr was all over me telling me to make an offer for the Impala.

Giles is a nice $12 and he is going to land me a top closer.


Makes a lot of sense now. $47 :-o
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Postby wrveres » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:06 pm

blankman wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
rotterdam_82 wrote:8-o

He didn't want Tejad for Giles straight up? The man is either clinicaly insane, or has some serious value issues.

And why the heck would you want to do that deal? The world has gone mad.......

:-D


Tejada is $47 next season. I am pretty much the only one that can afford him and wr will have to cut him. I don't even want Tejada b/c I have Lugo at ss for $2. I just happened to mention that I like Tejada and like mentioning in front of a used car salesman that you happen to like the colour of the '97 Impala, wr was all over me telling me to make an offer for the Impala.

Giles is a nice $12 and he is going to land me a top closer.


Makes a lot of sense now. $47 :-o


still waiting on that counter for the Impala ...

I have Arod, Abreu, Prior, Schmidt, Griffey and Magglio too, and I am sure I can get one of them to put a blue suit on for you . ;-D .

Soriano and Mike Young are untradeable .. sorry.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:25 pm

wrveres wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
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davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?


Yes it was. But they stopped with that argument after someone posted some almost comical stats to compare the two. The NL west is a joke.


another point that was missed by you guys .... my god .. I think you all have ADD too somtimes ... I kid I kid, well maybe not in strasils case ... ;-7 (as soon as I saw that post i knew he was going to show up how funny)

The point was ... That all of the teams are competitive in the NL West. Outside of Colorado, Trevor Hoffman does not get to close against the annual doormats known as the Orioles, Rays and Jays


Well that wasn't a very smart post now was it?

Total runs
Blue Jays 775 8/30
D-Ray 750 12/30
Orioles 729 15/30

NL Worst
Rockies 740 14/30
D-Backs 696 23/30
Dodgers 685 26/30
Padres 684 27/30
Giants 649 29/30

IMHO it would be easier to close against teams that can't score runs.


which of course leads to alot more one runs games now doesnt it .. ;-D


Not really. A small run differential likely leads to closer games. You would have to compare pitching also.
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Postby HOOTIE » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:28 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?

Yes, because the NL West's record (without the Padres record included) had been better than the AL East's record (without the Yankees included) for quite some time since the comparison was Hoffman's opponents vs. Rivera's opponents. Once you add in the Padres and Yankees records, that's not the case.

Nice try at distorting my words though ;-D
Why would you look at win/loss records when comparing teams closers face? Wouldn't opponent's offense be a better tool?


Of course. Pitching is a big part of records, and pitching doesn't apply to closers, only batters.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:34 pm

Why does every single thread have to be hijacked by these NL West guys?

Can we talk about the AL East for once....please?
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Postby wrveres » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:37 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:Why does every single thread have to be hijacked by these NL West guys?

Can we talk about the AL East for once....please?


your right !!

Maybe we should have a thread about the Yankees hiring a new 3rd base coach :-°
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Postby George_Foreman » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:03 pm

stupid west-coast bias.... it's all ESPN's fault. >_<
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Postby davidmarver » Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:17 pm

HOOTIE wrote:
Pogotheostrich wrote:
davidmarver wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
davidmarver wrote:And the fact that the Red Sox and Yankees aren't in the Dodgers division every season.


Wasn't it the Padre fans in the Rivera/Hoffman thread who claimed how much tougher Hoffman had it in the NL West?

Yes, because the NL West's record (without the Padres record included) had been better than the AL East's record (without the Yankees included) for quite some time since the comparison was Hoffman's opponents vs. Rivera's opponents. Once you add in the Padres and Yankees records, that's not the case.

Nice try at distorting my words though ;-D
Why would you look at win/loss records when comparing teams closers face? Wouldn't opponent's offense be a better tool?


Of course. Pitching is a big part of records, and pitching doesn't apply to closers, only batters.

Yes, but pitching applies to how many runs an opposing team scores. The Drays get to jack up their run total against pathetic Orioles pitching as do the other teams in the division. That isn't taken into account when comparing runs...the pitching faced when those runs are scored.

How about if we use interleague play run totals? That way it gives the NL teams a DH (like a pinch hitter late in the game since closers dont face pitchers).

These are '04 figures because that was my argument at the time (this was at the beginning of this season that this argument occured).

Boston: 18 games, 99 RS
Baltimore: 18 games, 70 RS
Toronto: 18 games, 73 RS
Tampa: 18 games, 95 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 337 RS = 4.68 R/G

San Fran: 18 games, 106 RS
Colorado: 18 games, 103 RS
LA: 18 games, 83 RS
Arizona: 18 games, 71 RS
TOTAL: 72 G, 363 RS = 5.04 R/G

Don't worry...those NL pinch hitters are worthless out there. ;-7
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Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:03 pm

My opinion...

Theo is a moron. There is no reason to leave this job. I want to see him go somewhere with a payroll of $100 million less, and try to win. Then we'll see how much he complains about Boston.

$1.5 million to be GM of the Boston Red Sox? Sign the freakin' deal Theo.
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