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Postby RAmst23 » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:00 pm

Anyone have an explanation as to why this World Series was rated so low (lowest ever I believe)? I'm from Illinois, so my perspective is a little skewed, but why wasn't anyone interested? Thoughts?
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:02 pm

ChiSox and Astros don't have the drawing power for casual fans.
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Postby Yoda » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:07 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:ChiSox and Astros don't have the drawing power for casual fans.


Bingo.
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Postby wrveres » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:28 pm

Never discount the influence ESPN has over the sheep.
If ESPN was from Chicago, you can almost guarantee this would have been a higher ranked WS ...

Its sad I know, but I honestly beleive this. Even after the WS teams were known it was all ESPN could talk about, what were the Yankees and the Sox going to do. We had somebody from Boston in here the other day and he even admitted that the press back there could care less about the series and all of the coverage was Espstein and Cashman. ...

Its honestly .. sad .. :-t


but of course, there is no East Coast bias is sports, right?
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Postby RAmst23 » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:30 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:ChiSox and Astros don't have the drawing power for casual fans.


Why not? Why don't the Astros and ChiSox have casual drawing power, and why wasn't this series a huge story?

You have one team that hasn't won since 1917, and a team that hasn't won EVER. This was a great story, so how come no one paid attention?

I agree that there's no casual drawing power for either team, but there's no reason they can't.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:33 pm

RAmst23 wrote:Why not? Why don't the Astros and ChiSox have casual drawing power, and why wasn't this series a huge story?

You have one team that hasn't won since 1917, and a team that hasn't won EVER. This was a great story, so how come no one paid attention?

I agree that there's no casual drawing power for either team, but there's no reason they can't.


As a general rule casual fans like Star players and high scoring. History is way down on the list.
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Postby Comrade Antelope » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:40 pm

The worst part about it is that even though it was a four game sweep, the games were great! Im not a fan of either team but I watched every game and except for the first one, there was high drama in all of them. Too bad for the folks who didnt watch...
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Postby Cleveland Steamers » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:43 pm

Baseball is based on the East coast. If you dont have an east coast team, the series gets no coverage and no one seems to care. The Yankees and Red Sox carry the series because no media outlet seems to care unless one of the two teams carry through to the WS. Its becoming more and more apparent that ESPN is 100% catered to the east coast--especially the Yankees and Bo Sox. :-t :-t :-t
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Postby bigh0rt » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:46 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:
RAmst23 wrote:Why not? Why don't the Astros and ChiSox have casual drawing power, and why wasn't this series a huge story?

You have one team that hasn't won since 1917, and a team that hasn't won EVER. This was a great story, so how come no one paid attention?

I agree that there's no casual drawing power for either team, but there's no reason they can't.


As a general rule casual fans like Star players and high scoring. History is way down on the list.


Exactly. In fact, here may not be the best place to ask your original question. Go to work/school and ask somebody who doesn't really watch baseball, and see if they even know who was in the Series, and can name 3 players on each team. Chances are, there's a large portion who can't even do that (although, being in Illinois, that may not work either !+) ). However, all things considered, for the media, it was a rather boring, anti-climactic playoffs. The Yanks and Bo-Sox were out in the Divisionals, and there were no huge stars like Pujols to suck up the glory.

This happens almost every time, in recent history, that you don't get a media powerhouse in the World Series. I mean heck, the White Sox aren't even the #1 team in their own town. Everything I've ever read paints Chicago as a Cubs town, with the Sox being the ugly stepchildren that nobody really cares about.

So, yeah, while it was a fun series to watch with some storied history, etc. to the casual fan, they probably skipped right past it. I know that a majority of the people I watch baseball with probably did just that.
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Postby StlSluggers » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:13 pm

This article should tell you something about how ridiculous the East-Coast bias is and why this Series didn't get the ratings or hype it deserved. I highlighed the most interesting comments.

ESPN.com wrote:David Schoenfield: We watched a lot of baseball this October, Eric. In fact, by my count, we watched 8,694 pitches; we watched 129 blown umpire calls; we watched Juan Uribe's absolute gun from shortstop; we watched Albert Pujols hit one awesome home run; we watched Roy Oswalt pitch one awesome game; we watched the Rocket pitch in relief in an 18-inning game; we saw Scott Podsednik hit one of the most improbable home runs in World Series history; we saw somebody named Ezequiel lose Game 3 of the World Series in the 14th inning; we watched Phil Garner throw a chair in disgust; we watched the White Sox -- the White Sox -- win the World Series.

But I'm afraid we also watched a lot of bad baseball, especially in the World Series. Yes, the games were close, but they weren't exciting. I'm calling it the third-worst World Series of the ESPN era (since 1979), behind the completely and utterly forgettable affair between the Orioles and Phillies in 1983 and the disastrous Earthquake Series in 1989 between the A's and Giants.

Eric Neel: I know what you're getting at, D. Only two innings of Roger Clemens? Yikes. A well-behaved Ozzie Guillen? What's that about? No big basestealing moment from two clubs poised and inclined to run? Yawn. Not a single A.J.-related bit of weirdness? That ain't right. It's not been a pretty Series in many ways. But still, it's been better than Tigers-Padres, Yankees-Padres, A's-Giants, Reds-A's, and, for my money, Yanks-Mets, which was interesting if you lived in Gotham and pretty rank if you lived anywhere else on planet earth.

I see this Series as worthy of some credit because the White Sox just got off an 88-year schneid, trumping their whining North Side brothers and providing a welcome antidote to all the Red Sox logorrhea we've been subject to these last 11 months, and doing it with a bunch of pretty likable and unlikely heroes. I further give this series, regardless of the level of play, some credit because it's got heartache at its heart. What's happened to the Astros here -- the return to form of their offense after a brief period of productivity, the injury to Clemens, the struggles of Brad Lidge, their one "sure bet," the repeated closeup shots of those terrible Chuck Norris beards -- added up to another chapter in the star-crossed history of the franchise. The week began so promisingly, and it's ending so familiarly. It's sad. And there's a kind of pathetic greatness in that. This club that's waited 40-plus years for a shot is shooting nothing but blanks. I know that's not entertaining, but it is strangely gripping, I think.

Plus, this series has that catch Uribe made in the bottom of the ninth, and that's a bit of greatness right there.

David: You're right; that Uribe catch -- where was the Astros fan interfering with the play, by the way? Talk about someone who needs to be second-guessed -- elevates this one past A's-Reds, which was memorable only for Eric Davis lacerating his kidney on a diving catch and Marge Schott making him pay for his own ambulance ride to the hospital. I know the 88-year drought thing is cool, but on the heels of the Red Sox, it's lost its luster; curses are boring now.

Sluggers' comment: To me, this was by far the most amazing comment in this whole article.

Three reasons this World Series won't see Jay Mariotti writing his opus, "Now I Can Quit Yelling In Peace": (1) The White Sox won Game 2 despite four major baserunning blunders -- Aaron Rowand's brainlock; Uribe caught in a rundown; Carl Everett, who runs like a Brontosaurus, trying to steal second; and Tad Iguchi getting picked off. They won that game in large part due to Craig Biggio dropping a routine pop fly; (2) Game 3 reminded me of a bad Little League game from fifth grade where the pitchers keep walking everybody, nobody can hit, and the mothers lose interest and start reading their "romance" novels as they sit in their lawn chairs; the Astros drew 12 walks and lost. Even Garner called it an embarrassment; (3) I had to keep hearing that "buzzzzzzzzz" sound in the background from games in Houston; seriously, the Killer B's thing was a cool nickname back in 1999 when BAGWELL AND BIGGIO WERE ACTUALLY LETHAL at the plate. All they did in this Series was swing and miss at bad sliders.

Oh, and as much it pains me to say this, you're wrong on that New York-New York series. Check the play-by-play, especially Game 1. And it had Piazza-Clemens.

Eric: I hear you; it's been ragged. But I don't buy for a second that the beat-back-the-hounds-of-history thing is played out. That's tired, East Coast-bias talk is what that is. This is genuine redemption after wandering the desert for generations. It's every bit as legit as the Red Sox claim to our heartstrings. And maybe more so, because White Sox fans don't annoy us within an inch of our lives with self-pity, and White Sox players don't make us want to throw rocks through the screen by being so full of themselves and their mystique every time they go in front of a mike.

Amen

Plus, this series has a rookie closer saving the first and the fourth, a Cy Young-caliber starter getting a W and a save, yet another great play from Juan Uribe to end the whole thing, a guy hitting .430 to win the MVP, contributions for the winning team from up and down the lineup, deliverance for Harold Baines, Tim Raines, Dick Allen, Bo Jackson, the great Frank Thomas, and the great, great Bill Veeck. This is a good bad series, brother. Don't slam it.

Oh, and by the way, the '94 Series is the worst of all time.

Plus, and this is a little thing, but I think it's worth mentioning: This sweep ended on a night when the losers were done proud by young Brandon Backe who (along with his one-hit performance in last year's NLCS) pitched one of the games of his life. Backe didn't pay any attention to the 0-3 status of the series. He just pitched his butt off, just to make a stand, even a futile stand. It wasn't enough, but it was entertaining and impressive -- much more entertaining and impressive than anything the Giants of '89 or Padres of '98 mustered.

David: You're comparing the plight of White Sox fans (where were they six weeks ago) to the plight of Red Sox fans? There's a reason we aren't annoyed by White Sox fans -- very few of them exist. Deliverance for Dick Allen? Now, that's just crazy talk. You want deliverance for Chick Gandil and Swede Risberg as well? You going to be writing your local Congressman to sign the "Put Shoeless Joe in the Hall" petition now? I will, however, give you the nod on Uribe; if Jeter made those two plays to end a World Series, there would four Insta-Books by mid-November. Of course, you're forgetting the two errors Uribe made in Game 3 that nearly cost the Sox the game. And I'll give you Bobby Jenks -- in a postgame interview he compared his story to something that only happens in a Fantastic Four comic book.

David Shoenfield :-t

What I thought was most interesting about this article was that they never mentioned the Sox-Cards series last year for "worst series." They didn't even consider it. IMO, that series was one of the most boring World Series I have ever seen, even after putting aside my Cardinal allegiance.

Being brutally honest, I think this sweep was tons better than last year's sweep. At least each game was close, and the Astros always had a chance in each game.
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