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Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:15 am

I will admit that I watched more of the WS last year. But that was mainly to root against the Red Sox.
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Postby bigken117 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:31 am

CubsFan7724 wrote:Yeah, thats because the White Sox didn't market and whine the crap out of their "curse" like the Red Sox did.


The Red Sox didn't market and whine about their "curse". They tried to avoid that talk all together. Fox, Buck and McCarver, and the rest of the media are the one's responsible for it.

That said, outside of Clemens, the White Sox and Astros have a lot of blue collar players who aren't household names like the Schilling's and Pujols's of last years World Series. It's been a great series thus far, though I didn't make it to 2 AM last night, I heard it was good.
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:39 am

Mookie4ever wrote:I will admit that I watched more of the WS last year. But that was mainly to root against the Red Sox.

So it's your fault!

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Postby nsulham » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:40 am

bigken117 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:Yeah, thats because the White Sox didn't market and whine the crap out of their "curse" like the Red Sox did.


The Red Sox didn't market and whine about their "curse". They tried to avoid that talk all together. Fox, Buck and McCarver, and the rest of the media are the one's responsible for it.


Glad you mentioned that. You couldn't escape a game last year without "IT" being mentioned. No one on that team nor in that front office used "IT" to market themselves. The only moron in Boston guilty of that is Shaughnessy, who made a living off of "IT".
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Postby blankman » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:49 am

nsulham wrote:
bigken117 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:Yeah, thats because the White Sox didn't market and whine the crap out of their "curse" like the Red Sox did.


The Red Sox didn't market and whine about their "curse". They tried to avoid that talk all together. Fox, Buck and McCarver, and the rest of the media are the one's responsible for it.


Glad you mentioned that. You couldn't escape a game last year without "IT" being mentioned. No one on that team nor in that front office used "IT" to market themselves. The only moron in Boston guilty of that is Shaughnessy, who made a living off of "IT".


Perhaps it wasn't the players, but it was absolutely, without question, the FANS that did it. They just went on and on and on whining about it and how it made them real diehards because their team hadn't won in so long and other stupid bs. You watch a game and every single sign you see has something to do with the curse.

The fans started it, continued complaining and then the media went with it and expanded.
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Postby Coppermine » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:11 am

Basically it all comes down to notoriety. True baseball fans will watch the world series regardless of the teams playing.

The Yankees are unarguably the most "popular" team in baseball. You can ask someone who's never watched a game in their lives that they "love" the Yankees. So it's the same with Red Sox... they're the disestablishment team. Anyone who hates the Yankees but still knows nothing about baseball will root for the Red Sox base don the rivalry.

Therefore, if you think about it, the ratings are going to be influenced not by the fans, but by the un-fans who may watch the world series all because they want to pretend to be baseball fans. If the Yankees or the Red Sox aren't involved, those un-fans just won't watch the series.

Throw in teams like the White Sox and Astros, who have a modest following, and you get those die hard fans, along with the fans who love the game, but none of the Yankees/Red Sox bandwagoners.
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Postby bigken117 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:07 pm

blankman wrote:
nsulham wrote:
bigken117 wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:Yeah, thats because the White Sox didn't market and whine the crap out of their "curse" like the Red Sox did.


The Red Sox didn't market and whine about their "curse". They tried to avoid that talk all together. Fox, Buck and McCarver, and the rest of the media are the one's responsible for it.


Glad you mentioned that. You couldn't escape a game last year without "IT" being mentioned. No one on that team nor in that front office used "IT" to market themselves. The only moron in Boston guilty of that is Shaughnessy, who made a living off of "IT".


Perhaps it wasn't the players, but it was absolutely, without question, the FANS that did it. They just went on and on and on whining about it and how it made them real diehards because their team hadn't won in so long and other stupid bs. You watch a game and every single sign you see has something to do with the curse.

The fans started it, continued complaining and then the media went with it and expanded.



What? 8-o
Shaughnessy started it by writing a book, the media ran with it because that's what they do here, where even the most trivial thing can be blown out of proportion, and after a while, maybe some fans thought the same. But by last season every single Sox fan was sick and tired of hearing about it, and listening to the Fox broadcasters drone on and on and on and on about it. Sox fans were just sick of hearing it. Nobody believed it anymore than Cubs fans really believe a billy goat is the reason they've gone so long without winning a championship.
Sox fans are loyal no matter what (longest current streak of home sellouts and 3rd longest all time).
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Postby StlSluggers » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:20 pm

bigken117 wrote:Sox fans are loyal no matter what (longest current streak of home sellouts and 3rd longest all time).

Granted, that stat is slightly skewed by the size of the stadium.
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Postby bigken117 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:29 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
bigken117 wrote:Sox fans are loyal no matter what (longest current streak of home sellouts and 3rd longest all time).

Granted, that stat is slightly skewed by the size of the stadium.


True, but they keep expanding the seating capacity and have some of the (if not the) highest prices in all of baseball, and they still sell out.
Up here, you hear more on the radio about Theo's contract negotiations and all those scenarios than you do the quality World Series being played and Pats combined.
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Postby wrveres » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:38 pm

bigken117 wrote:
StlSluggers wrote:
bigken117 wrote:Sox fans are loyal no matter what (longest current streak of home sellouts and 3rd longest all time).

Granted, that stat is slightly skewed by the size of the stadium.


True, but they keep expanding the seating capacity and have some of the (if not the) highest prices in all of baseball, and they still sell out.
Up here, you hear more on the radio about Theo's contract negotiations and all those scenarios than you do the quality World Series being played and Pats combined.


there is a rumor going around that Theo might be the leading candidate here in SD ...

as for the WS ratings, I couldn't imagine not watching them. I don't think I have missed a WS game in years
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