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Postby willieroe » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:12 pm

From MLB.com:

Major League Baseball announced today the umpiring crew that will work the 2005 World Series, scheduled to begin on Saturday, October 22, 2005.

Twenty-eight-year veteran umpire Joe West will call the balls and strikes in Game One of the Fall Classic. West, working his third World Series and 13th post season series, will be joined by Derryl Cousins (3rd WS) in his 11th post season assignment, Jerry Layne (1st WS) in his eighth post season assignment, Angel Hernandez (2nd WS) in his 10th post season assignment, Gary Cederstrom (1st WS) in his sixth post season assignment, and Jeff Nelson (1st WS) also in his sixth post season assignment.

Wow, Joe West and Angel Hernandez together - you thought that the post-season umpiring was rough so far, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Oct 21, 2005 8:34 am

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Postby George_Foreman » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:29 pm

yeah, really.... i mean, didn't they have a chance to fire these guys a couple years back?
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Postby prodpaul » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:19 am

Bring back Don Denkinger...Royals fans love him ;-D
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Re: Your World Series umpiring crew (gag)

Postby rlee » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:34 pm

willieroe wrote:From MLB.com:

Major League Baseball announced today the umpiring crew that will work the 2005 World Series, scheduled to begin on Saturday, October 22, 2005.

Twenty-eight-year veteran umpire Joe West will call the balls and strikes in Game One of the Fall Classic. West, working his third World Series and 13th post season series, will be joined by Derryl Cousins (3rd WS) in his 11th post season assignment, Jerry Layne (1st WS) in his eighth post season assignment, Angel Hernandez (2nd WS) in his 10th post season assignment, Gary Cederstrom (1st WS) in his sixth post season assignment, and Jeff Nelson (1st WS) also in his sixth post season assignment.

Wow, Joe West and Angel Hernandez together - you thought that the post-season umpiring was rough so far, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
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After Jeff Nelson blew Dye's "hit by pitch", add him to your list. I was shocked he didn't even check with the first base umpire. Is it me, or have they displayed arrogance all year long? %-6
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Postby dyuen87 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:56 pm

is anyone really surprised that the umps blew a call here? i mean before the series even started we had this thread started. good job to willieroe for this one. ;-D

as a baseball fan im pretty pissed that the umps ruined a good game and what was looking to be a good series. why not at least get together with the rest of the umps before you make such a crucial decision? it's not like they're oblivious to the fact that they've blown many calls this postseason, why not at least TRY to make the right one?
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Postby davus » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:03 pm

:-D

You fellas are a trip. It's as if the pitch was right in the center of the strike zone and he called it ball four, the way you guys go on and on and on about it.

No, it was going to be ball four or a HBP and it was pure luck that the ball just happened to hit the bat as Dye tried to dodge it. At worst the Astros did not reap the benefit of a 1 in a 100 chance of the ball hitting the bat when he tried ducking a horrible pitch that would have been ball four regardless.

I mean...ahem, damn umps stole the win away from Houston! <img src=/forums/images/smiles/kiss.gif>
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Postby dyuen87 » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:36 pm

you're going on about what COULD'VE happened. im going on about what DID happen. the ball hit dye's bat simple as that. it was a foul ball, not a HBP or ball 4. even tho he may be have been dodging it, it hit his bat didn't it? isn't that a foul ball? pure luck or not, that is what happened.
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Postby davus » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:03 pm

dyuen87 wrote:you're going on about what COULD'VE happened. im going on about what DID happen. the ball hit dye's bat simple as that. it was a foul ball, not a HBP or ball 4. even tho he may be have been dodging it, it hit his bat didn't it? isn't that a foul ball? pure luck or not, that is what happened.


I'm not disagreeing with you. I just think it is funny that some of you guys are saying that the Stros were robbed. 99/100 times that pitch would have been ball four or a hit batter. The only thing the Stros were robbed of is a 1 in a 100 chance to luck out of a horrible pitch being called a ball.

Like I said. It'd be nice if the umps always made the right call, but they don't. I saw a few times where a White Sox batter got a called strike that should have been a ball. How come nobody is complaining about that? :-?

Also, in my opinion...the idea that the pitcher can try to hit a guy's bat to get a strike is ridiculous. The idea is to pitch it by the batter in the strike zone or to have him swing at something and miss. The idea that you can have a foul ball called on you because the pitcher hit your bat while you are avoiding getting nailed is stupid, regardless of what the rules state...although if the rules state that it is, then that's how it ought to be called.

The real point is that this is a stupid thing to hinge the game on. If you wanted Dye out, then strike his ass out, don't complain that you didn't get a pure luck [correct] call on a horrible pitch that happened to hit his bat as he's ducking to avoid.
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Postby rlee » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:36 pm

I think a lot of you are missing the point. The call was crucial, yes. But it didn't make Qualls throw a meatball to Konerko, nor did it make Lidge groove a fastball to Podsednik.

But I think the issue is one of competency. I don't have an issue with Nelson saying Dye was hit by the pitch. Tough call to make with a 93 mph ball glancing off of the bat.

Officials in any sport have the obligation to get as many calls as possible right. My complaint with Nelson is that he didn't ask for help. Even if he thought he was right, it would have either reinforced his thinking or reversed it if he conferred with the first base umpire. What could it have hurt? Maybe he gets no help, but at least he tried. This is the World Series. This is in my thinking simple arrogance.
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