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Postby RynMan » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:31 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:this coming year i would take johnson but for the future it will easily be kotchman.....


My thoughts aswell...
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Postby Music2004Man » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:39 pm

Next year: Shelton, Kotchman, Johnson

Future: Kotchman, Shelton, Johnson

I think that Shelton is further along than the other two so he will have a better year next year. Kotchman has the best upside of the three and though I don't think he'll ever turn into Delgado, Konerko or Pujols and hit a ton of homers. I do think that he could put up 20-25 with a good average.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:52 pm

I like Johnson the most for next season, but I think in 2 years Kotchman should be the best of the 3 as long as he doesn't have to share abs.
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Postby wrveres » Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:22 am

not sure why everybody is sooo big on Kotchmans future when it relates to fantasy purposes .. He has no power and no speed to speak of and that is horrible for a 1B ..

I like Johnson over Shelton ..

IMO they are similar players, with similar pop, but the A's have a much better track record when dealing with prospects, so I will give him the advantage.

Kotchman is not even in the same category as these two when it relates to roto.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:42 am

wrveres wrote:Kotchman is not even in the same category as these two when it relates to roto.


What do you mean?
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Postby wrveres » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:21 am

bronxxbomber wrote:
wrveres wrote:Kotchman is not even in the same category as these two when it relates to roto.


What do you mean?


He has no power, and no speed, and since he hits for average, that is probably going to be the only category he helps you in. Sure he may trickle in a few RBI's and Runs, but if you are sacraficing power at 1st in your league you are going to need to make it up else where. For deeper leagues, I would gladly target him, but of the 3 listed here .. give me Dan Johnson.
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Postby bronxxbomber » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:30 pm

wrveres wrote:
bronxxbomber wrote:
wrveres wrote:Kotchman is not even in the same category as these two when it relates to roto.


What do you mean?


He has no power, and no speed, and since he hits for average, that is probably going to be the only category he helps you in. Sure he may trickle in a few RBI's and Runs, but if you are sacraficing power at 1st in your league you are going to need to make it up else where. For deeper leagues, I would gladly target him, but of the 3 listed here .. give me Dan Johnson.


gotcha, but kotchman is pretty young he could still develop more power and how many hrs do you see johnson hitting next season and beyond.
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Postby Yoda » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:15 am

wrveres wrote:not sure why everybody is sooo big on Kotchmans future when it relates to fantasy purposes .. He has no power and no speed to speak of and that is horrible for a 1B ..

I like Johnson over Shelton ..

IMO they are similar players, with similar pop, but the A's have a much better track record when dealing with prospects, so I will give him the advantage.

Kotchman is not even in the same category as these two when it relates to roto.


He is 3 years younger than Shelton and 4 years younger than Johnson. He started off terrible in 04 but heated up in the second half. With limited PT, he smacked 7 HRs in 140 ABs. He's big and has a very good eye. I defintiely think he can easily outperform Johnson and Shelton if given the chance to play FT.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:10 am

Can Kotchman develop more power? Certainly. But Dan Johnson already has that power. It does not need developing. I also understand that Kotchman is younger, but that doesn't "automatically" make him the better prospect. When Dan Johnson was 23, like Kotchman is now, he was still hitting with more power than Kotchman.

Here is a combined list of their minor league and Major league stats over the last four years. Nothing in their says to me that Kotchman is the better prospect.

<PRE> AB R H 2B HR RBI BB SO BA AB/HR AB/2B AB/BB AB/KO
2002 Dan Johnson 426 56 125 23 21 85 57 87 0.293 20.29 18.52 7.47 4.90 A
Casey Kotchman 288 42 81 30 5 50 48 37 0.281 57.60 9.60 6.00 7.78 A
Chris Shelton 332 72 113 27 17 65 47 74 0.340 19.53 12.30 7.06 4.49 A

2003 Dan Johnson 542 90 157 27 27 114 68 82 0.290 20.07 20.07 7.97 6.61 AA/AAA
Casey Kotchman 233 47 81 13 10 34 32 19 0.348 23.30 17.92 7.28 12.26 A
Chris Shelton 437 88 147 34 21 83 76 90 0.336 20.81 12.85 5.75 4.86 A/AA

2004 Dan Johnson 536 95 160 29 29 111 89 93 0.299 18.48 18.48 6.02 5.76 AAA
Casey Kotchman 429 58 142 39 8 71 31 43 0.331 53.63 11.00 13.84 9.98 AAA
Chris Shelton 108 11 30 3 1 10 19 27 0.278 108.00 36.00 5.68 4.00 AAA

2005 Dan Johnson 557 90 162 38 23 99 82 76 0.291 24.22 14.66 6.79 7.33 MLB
Casey Kotchman 489 78 140 28 17 80 58 58 0.286 28.76 17.46 8.43 8.43 AAA
Chris Shelton 569 95 176 41 26 98 59 120 0.309 21.88 13.88 9.64 4.74 MLB</PRE>

Also I miss spoke when I said he has no power to speak of ... He has a little, but not like DJ.
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Postby wrveres » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:10 am

Oops ..double post :-o
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