Red Stripe wrote:Ya, no offense to ScottyTrav, but that draft must've sucked. Johan not the top pitcher? Duke and Cain on the list? Felix at 6? Sheets and Harden at 12-13?
I went threw the list of players on yahoo and picked out some pitchers. I know the list is Very long. those of you that read this if you see a pitcher on this list that isnt worth drafting in a 12 team league could you let me know and ill delete his name. This isnt in a certain order.......yet, its a work in progress!
Theres 101 SPs listed here, in a 12 team league I cant imagine every team carrying 5 pitchers, but say they do. Thats 60 SP, so I should get about 40 names off of this list....right?
I'd like to get the players at least in the "tier" they should be in...when i say tier I mean 1-25, 26-50, 51-75, 76-101.....
1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
Thanks for any help guys!!! I know this might look silly, but any input would be great
Last edited by BravesGuy on Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:24 pm, edited 9 times in total.
^Thanks for the sig Soty!^ "When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..." Ecclesiastes 7:14 ΠKΦ
I am trying to compile a list of pitchers that are worth drafting in a 12 team draft then I will rank them. and yes i am drafting soon, in 2 weeks....i know its early, but thats how its going down
I moved Felix down just for you.
^Thanks for the sig Soty!^ "When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..." Ecclesiastes 7:14 ΠKΦ
I know its very early to be doing this, but any more help would be great.
^Thanks for the sig Soty!^ "When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..." Ecclesiastes 7:14 ΠKΦ
1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP) C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP) J. Suppan (StL - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP) J. Weaver (LAD - SP) D. Lowe (LAD - SP) C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP) C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP) B. Penny (LAD - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP) B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP) E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP) A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
Just a quick once over....the ones with a should be moves up one tier two tiers and down a tier.
1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
^Thanks for the sig Soty!^ "When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other..." Ecclesiastes 7:14 ΠKΦ
I have had a look at this list. I'm going to be a little imprecise and just indicate general movement rather than the level.
1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP) <not convincced that performance merits this high a rating - ok if based on potential>
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP) <probably nearer the top of the tier - ahead of Lowry>
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP) < ditto >
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP) < like him but high risk - anger management>
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP) <see contreras>
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP) <over-rated I believe - disaster waiting to happen>
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP) <depends upon which pitcher shows up>
K. Millwood (Cle - SP) <too low for ERA leader>
M. Morris (StL - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP) <probably a little higher>
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP) <lower -2nd half did not impress>
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP) (= Duke)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP) <extremely inconsistent - rate Towers/Chaucin higher)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP) < Duke & Cain>
T. Lilly (Tor - SP) <2nd half better>
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP) <see Duke, Cain & Baker - Not a lot to choose between at this stage>
C. Young (Tex - SP) <think should be higher - nearer top of tier>
S. Kazmir (TB - SP) <ditto - take him over benson, pavano, et. al>
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP) <ahead of bush>
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP) <depends on whether injury problem is corrected - if it is this is probably too low>
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP) <should be considerably higher => 50-75>
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP) <higher - 50-75>
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP) < see bush>
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
How many SP to rank is dependant on league setup right? For instance we each own 30 players + up to 5DL in our 12 team keeper, and there are likely 100ish SP on rosters at any given time. How many roster slots in this 12 teamer? Assuming as you stated, you want to get lower, and assuming 5X5, I'd leave the following off my list:
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
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