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Postby mweir145 » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:30 pm

Red Stripe wrote:Ya, no offense to ScottyTrav, but that draft must've sucked. Johan not the top pitcher? Duke and Cain on the list? Felix at 6? Sheets and Harden at 12-13?

Halladay #10... 8-o
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Postby BravesGuy » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:53 pm

I went threw the list of players on yahoo and picked out some pitchers. I know the list is Very long. those of you that read this if you see a pitcher on this list that isnt worth drafting in a 12 team league could you let me know and ill delete his name. This isnt in a certain order.......yet, its a work in progress!
Theres 101 SPs listed here, in a 12 team league I cant imagine every team carrying 5 pitchers, but say they do. Thats 60 SP, so I should get about 40 names off of this list....right?

I'd like to get the players at least in the "tier" they should be in...when i say tier I mean 1-25, 26-50, 51-75, 76-101.....

1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)

26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)

51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)

Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)

Thanks for any help guys!!! I know this might look silly, but any input would be great
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Postby Yoda » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:12 am

LOL Felix before Clemens.
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Postby BravesGuy » Fri Oct 14, 2005 11:34 am

Yoda wrote:LOL Felix before Clemens.

This isnt a ranking!

I am trying to compile a list of pitchers that are worth drafting in a 12 team draft then I will rank them. and yes i am drafting soon, in 2 weeks....i know its early, but thats how its going down

I moved Felix down just for you.
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Postby BravesGuy » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:25 pm

I know its very early to be doing this, but any more help would be great.
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Postby BigLebowski » Sat Oct 15, 2005 8:54 pm

1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)

26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP) :-t
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP) :-t

51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP) :-t
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP) :-t
J. Weaver (LAD - SP) ;-D
D. Lowe (LAD - SP) ;-D
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP) ;-D
C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)

Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP) ;-D
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP) ;-D ;-D
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP) ;-D
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP) ;-D
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)


Just a quick once over....the ones with a ;-D should be moves up one tier ;-D ;-D two tiers and :-t down a tier.
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Postby BravesGuy » Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:36 pm

Thanks BigLebowski......very helpful !!!!!!

1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)

26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP)
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)

51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)

Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
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Postby prhood » Sun Oct 16, 2005 9:10 am

I have had a look at this list. I'm going to be a little imprecise and just indicate general movement rather than the level.

1-25
Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
D. Willis (Fla - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)
A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)

26-50
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP) <not convincced that performance merits this high a rating - ok if based on potential>
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)
J. Garland (CWS - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP) <probably nearer the top of the tier - ahead of Lowry>
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
J. Patterson (Was - SP) < ditto >
Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP) < like him but high risk - anger management>
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP) <see contreras>
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP) <over-rated I believe - disaster waiting to happen>
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP) <depends upon which pitcher shows up>
K. Millwood (Cle - SP) <too low for ERA leader>
M. Morris (StL - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP) <probably a little higher>
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)

51-75
Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP) <lower -2nd half did not impress>
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP) (= Duke)
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP) <extremely inconsistent - rate Towers/Chaucin higher)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP) < Duke & Cain>
T. Lilly (Tor - SP) <2nd half better>
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP) <see Duke, Cain & Baker - Not a lot to choose between at this stage>
C. Young (Tex - SP) <think should be higher - nearer top of tier>
S. Kazmir (TB - SP) <ditto - take him over benson, pavano, et. al>
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)
G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP) <ahead of bush>
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
B. Radke (Min - SP) <depends on whether injury problem is corrected - if it is this is probably too low>
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)

Bottom 76-101
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP) <should be considerably higher => 50-75>
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP) <higher - 50-75>
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP) < see bush>
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
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Postby dannahann » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:12 pm

How many SP to rank is dependant on league setup right? For instance we each own 30 players + up to 5DL in our 12 team keeper, and there are likely 100ish SP on rosters at any given time. How many roster slots in this 12 teamer? Assuming as you stated, you want to get lower, and assuming 5X5, I'd leave the following off my list:
T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)
H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)
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Postby wrveres » Sun Oct 16, 2005 1:31 pm

without looking at any numbers ..

Not a ranking, just tiers

Jo. Santana (Min - SP)
J. Peavy (SD - SP)
P. Martínez (NYM - SP)
R. Oswalt (Hou - SP)

B. Sheets (Mil - SP)
R. Halladay (Tor - SP)
R. Harden (Oak - SP)
M. Prior (ChC - SP)
R. Clemens (Hou - SP)

D. Willis (Fla - SP)
B. Colón (LAA - SP)
C. Zambrano (ChC - SP)
R. Johnson (NYY - SP)
J. Smoltz (Atl - SP,RP)
J. Schmidt (SF - SP)

A. Pettitte (Hou - SP)
C. Carpenter (StL - SP)
J. Beckett (Fla - SP)
A. Burnett (Fla - SP)
B. Zito (Oak - SP)
M. Buehrle (CWS - SP)
C. Schilling (Bos - SP,RP)
F. Hernández (Sea - SP)
T. Hudson (Atl - SP)
J. Bonderman (Det - SP)

J. Patterson (Was - SP)
L. Hernández (Was - SP)
J. Weaver (LAD - SP)
J. Vázquez (Ari - SP)
K. Millwood (Cle - SP)
C. Lee (Cle - SP)
J. Lackey (LAA - SP)
C. Capuano (Mil - SP)
B. Myers (Phi - SP)

J. Garland (CWS - SP)
D. Davis (Mil - SP)
N. Lowry (SF - SP)
C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
M. Mulder (StL - SP)
J. Blanton (Oak - SP)
B. Webb (Ari - SP)
J. Westbrook (Cle - SP)
J. Contreras (CWS - SP)
D. Haren (Oak - SP,RP)
K. Wood (ChC - SP,RP)
F. García (CWS - SP)
M. Morris (StL - SP)
K. Benson (NYM - SP)
D. Bush (Tor - SP)
S. Baker (Min - SP,RP)
B. McCarthy (CWS - SP)
S. Kazmir (TB - SP)
M. Mussina (NYY - SP)

Ol. Pérez (Pit - SP)
E. Loaiza (Was - SP)
J. Sosa (Atl - SP,RP)
M. Clement (Bos - SP)
G. Maddux (ChC - SP)
D. Lowe (LAD - SP)

Z. Duke (Pit - SP)
E. Santana (LAA - SP)
A. Eaton (SD - SP)
M. Cain (SF - SP)
D. Wells (Bos - SP)
A. Small (NYY - SP,RP)
E. Bedard (Bal - SP)
B. Penny (LAD - SP)
A. Harang (Cin - SP)

T. Wakefield (Bos - SP)
J. Suppan (StL - SP)
C. Pavano (NYY - SP)
B. Backe (Hou - SP,RP)
T. Lilly (Tor - SP)
C. Young (Tex - SP)
P. Byrd (LAA - SP)
S. Chacón (NYY - SP,RP)

G. Chacín (Tor - SP,RP)
K. Rogers (Tex - SP)
J. Lieber (Phi - SP)
A. Heilman (NYM - SP,RP)

B. Radke (Min - SP)
C. Lidle (Phi - SP)
J. Vargas (Fla - SP,RP)
F. Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Ja. Wright (NYY - SP)
C. Silva (Min - SP)
B. Chen (Bal - SP)
D. Cabrera (Bal - SP)
J. Seo (NYM - SP)
B. Arroyo (Bos - SP)
T. Glavine (NYM - SP)
J. Marquis (StL - SP)

J. Piñeiro (Sea - SP)
J. Thomson (Atl - SP)
Z. Greinke (KC - SP)
J. Towers (Tor - SP)
K. Davies (Atl - SP,RP)
W. Miller (Bos - SP)
H. Penn (Bal - SP)


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H. Carrasco (Was - SP,RP)
A. Leiter (NYY - SP,RP)
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Today's Games
Thursday, Apr. 24
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Kansas City at Cleveland
(12:05 pm)
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
(12:35 pm)
Chi White Sox at Detroit
(1:08 pm)
St. Louis at NY Mets
(1:10 pm)
Minnesota at Tampa Bay
(1:10 pm)
indoors
Arizona at Chi Cubs
(2:20 pm)
San Diego at Washington
(7:05 pm)
Baltimore at Toronto
(7:07 pm)
NY Yankees at Boston
(7:10 pm)
Oakland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Philadelphia at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)

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